God created all things, the universe and the earth in 6 days, about 6000 years – the Bible and real

[timtofly]

What did God inform of man and living things on how they will eat?

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
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29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Herbs as in plants and thus also the fruits & nuts from the trees were for consumption. They were not created to be immortal.

The seeds are what was eaten. Why would you say the plant was removed from the ground or the tree removed?

The verse claims nothing new sprang out of the ground, nor did any human till the earth to allow for new plants and herbs.

All living things ate all the seeds and the fruit, and that is why nothing new was planted. Of course the plants and trees never died. That is the whole point of no death.

Obviously you think no death, means some things did die.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men... Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses."

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Why did Adam not know what death was? Nothing had ever died up till the point Adam disobeyed God.

Why would God not create everlasting life without death? Death was not part of creation, but it seems you have no clue what that even entails. I guess until you experience life without death, you will not comprehend what God wrote in Genesis 1 and 2.

 

[37818]

Why did Adam not know what death was? Nothing had ever died up till the point Adam disobeyed God.

That is simply not true. Did God speak nonsense to Adam and Eve?
To Adam, Genesis 2:17. To both Adam and Eve, Genesis 3:3, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

 

[MrW]

Is an interpretation. Not all literal interpreter of Genesis 1 will agree.

I would call it my understanding.

God gave us a seven day week. Man was created on the sixth day, and six represents man, and represents sin, and seven represents perfection and/or completeness, e.g., the anti-Christ's number is 666, which is six multiplied. Six is short of seven. One is a number for God, and when one is added to six, man is made perfect before God. There are seven days in the week, the eighth day starts a new week. There are seven notes in the musical scale, the eighth note starts a new octave. Thus we see eight is the number for a new beginning.

Man (6), being sinful (6) is to work six days and then he receives his reward (rest) on the seventh day (sabbath).

A thousand years is as a day to God, and a day as a thousand years. Extrapolating, we see sinful man rules the world six days, and then comes the sabbath rest (spoken of in Hebrews, "...there yet remains a rest...") when Christ (1) comes back to earth and rules for 1 day (1000 years), thus there are 6 days, 6000 years, for man to rule, then 1 day, 1000 years (of rest) for God's rule, and human history is then complete. Then comes the 8th day, the new beginning, and SURE ENOUGH! there it is in the last chapters of Revelation where there is a new Heaven and a new Earth and we enter the eternal state.

It fits Scripture, but it doesn't say it straight out, no. But I'm willing to wait and see that it is correct, AND, to my best knowledge, we are VERY CLOSE to the end of the 6000 years, though Judaism says we have over 200 more years to go. I think they are mistaken, but of course I can't prove they are--I will just happily wait and see.

Numbers do have meaning in Scripture. There is even a book by the name, in Scripture.

One and three represent God. If I remember correct, two is unity. Four represents the creation, the cosmos, the world, Five represents grace. Six is man and sin, for no matter how many sixes you have, they never reach seven, which is perfection or completeness. Eight is a new beginning. Nine represents the Holy Spirit. I forget ten and eleven; twelve is governmental perfection. 40 is judgment on an unrighteous generation, 70 is a righteous generation. That's all I remember.

 

[MrW]

Genesis 2 gives more detail of man's creation.

 

[timtofly]

That is simply not true. Did God speak nonsense to Adam and Eve?
To Adam, Genesis 2:17. To both Adam and Eve, Genesis 3:3, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Explain from Scripture anything that died prior to Adam's disobedience.

 

[37818]

Explain from Scripture anything that died prior to Adam's disobedience.

Are you really that ignorant?
Assuming nothing died in God's pristine creation. Do you really presume God created Adam and Eve incapable to understand the Language God used with His Creation of man?

 

[37818]

Explain from Scripture anything that died prior to Adam's disobedience.

Whales in the.ocean eat plankton. And the plankton would die.

 

[timtofly]

Whales in the.ocean eat plankton. And the plankton would die.

They do now. They did not before Adam disobeyed. There was no death. So explain how any one would know and understand what death was.

People today still do not understand what it means to be separated from their spirit, 6,000 years later.

Death became part of nature, only after Adam disobeyed God. It was not part of nature nor any part of creation, until sin entered the world, and death by sin. That was when the entire creation was placed under the bondage of death. Man would have to start tilling the ground, and death became part of the process.

 

[timtofly]

Are you really that ignorant?
Assuming nothing died in God's pristine creation. Do you really presume God created Adam and Eve incapable to understand the Language God used with His Creation of man?

Death as a term began from planting one tree, and a law given to one single individual. Death was not a common term anywhere else in creation.

Eve did not know what death meant but was deceived by the serpent to think it was something that would make one wise. Since you are going by the name of the tree, the tree would be the only point of knowledge to Eve's physical comprehension. Eating of the fruit would produce death.

 

[37818]

They do now. They did not before Adam disobeyed. There was no death. So explain how any one would know and understand what death was.

How did a whale not eat plankton when it ate?

 

[37818]

Death became part of nature, only after Adam disobeyed God.

I disagree. Death was part of God's very good creation. Death became an enemy when sin became a cause for death.

 

[MrW]

The wages of sin is death.

It did not exist prior to Adam's sin.

 

[37818]

For the record, I believe in a literal reading of Genesis 1:1 thru Genesis 3:24 etc. I often disagree with many of both YEC and OEC interpretations.

 

[37818]

For the record, I believe in a literal reading of Genesis 1:1 thru Genesis 3:24 etc. I often disagree with many of both YEC and OEC interpretations.

 

[37818]

For the record, I believe in a literal reading of Genesis 1:1 thru Genesis 3:24 etc. I often disagree with many of both YEC and OEC interpretations.

 

[MrW]

I think we're not considering that man likely sinned within days of Adam's and Eve's creation.

As for understanding death, I think both humans were created very intelligent, and had a concept of cessation of life.

 

[timtofly]

I disagree. Death was part of God's very good creation. Death became an enemy when sin became a cause for death.

So then in the NHNE, death will continue as that is part of any perfect creation?

All living things on earth ate from plants and herbs, and yes those grow in the sea, no?

Are you adding to Genesis 1 just to make a point, that plankton had to be consumed?

The whole point was that what God planted, never died and provided the entire diet of all living things, although God did not specify sea life by name. But sea life still moves around, and they ate from the plants available in and out of the water.

But death was not a part of creation, and it will be removed from creation just as easily as it came.

 

[37818]

So then in the NHNE, death will continue as that is part of any perfect creation?

All living things on earth ate from plants and herbs, and yes those grow in the sea, no?

Are you adding to Genesis 1 just to make a point, that plankton had to be consumed?

The whole point was that what God planted, never died and provided the entire diet of all living things, although God did not specify sea life by name. But sea life still moves around, and they ate from the plants available in and out of the water.

But death was not a part of creation, and it will be removed from creation just as easily as it came.

No. Death became the enemy.

1 Corinthians 15:26, The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 20:14, And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[37818]

So then in the NHNE, death will continue as that is part of any perfect creation?

All living things on earth ate from plants and herbs, and yes those grow in the sea, no?

Are you adding to Genesis 1 just to make a point, that plankton had to be consumed?

The whole point was that what God planted, never died and provided the entire diet of all living things, although God did not specify sea life by name. But sea life still moves around, and they ate from the plants available in and out of the water.

But death was not a part of creation, and it will be removed from creation just as easily as it came.

No. Death became the enemy.

1 Corinthians 15:26, The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 20:14, And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[timtofly]

No. Death became the enemy.

1 Corinthians 15:26, The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 20:14, And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So it is OK to disobey God, as long as death is not the enemy?

What causes death to be the enemy while people are freely sinning and being disobedient?

Paul gave us a reason why there was no death prior to Adam's disobedience: death was the punishment, and always has been for sin.

Romans 5:12-14

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses...."

Sin was not in creation until Adam disobeyed God, and no sin meant no death. Death did not reign, nor even existed, because Adam and Eve were the first to physically die, and they did die, the instant Adam disobeyed God. They were removed from a body of life, and placed into a body of death. Now even the body was against the soul.

God in Genesis 2 pointed out there was no death, because no plant had ever died and new ones never came up out of the ground from any seeds. The same with the trees.

Even Paul likened physical death as a seed being sown, and a new plant coming up. Sowing seeds is actually part of a death process. That death process was not part of creation until Adam disobeyed God.

Now Adam was punished with that death process, and agriculture started. Now wild plants would spring up. Every plant and tree would eventually die, and need to be replanted.

Then when God points out there was no death mentioned in Scripture, you reason against God's Word, that something had to die, just for the sake of argument.

Death became period. Whether or not it is an enemy depends on one's obedience to God. Paul welcomed the point of crucifying the flesh, and even leaving the flesh behind for God's permanent incorruptible physical body. Death is already not an enemy for those in Christ.

Death was not a part of natural life, as death is directly the result of sin, not the result of creation.