God created all things, the universe and the earth in 6 days, about 6000 years – the Bible and real

[timtofly]

The Hebrew Masoretic texts of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describe the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

1:6 ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
1:7 ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
1:8 ויקרא אלהים לרקיע שׁמים ויהי־ערב ויהי־בקר יום שׁני׃

6. And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

However, hundreds of years earlier, the first five books of the Tanakh were translated into Greek giving us the first part of the Septuagint. In the Septuagint, Genesis 1:6-8 reads,

Gen. 1:6. Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
7. καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
8. καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

The Greek word στερέωμα is used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ, and expresses the concept of “the sky as a supporting structure, the firmament.” (BDAG, the italics are theirs). This Greek word is also found in Paul’s writings to express the concept of a “state or condition of firm commitment, firmness, steadfastness” (BDAG, the italics are theirs),

Col. 2.5. εἰ γὰρ καὶ τῇ σαρκὶ ἄπειμι, ἀλλὰ τῷ πνεύματι σὺν ὑμῖν εἰμι, χαίρων καὶ βλέπων ὑμῶν τὴν τάξιν καὶ τὸ στερέωμα τῆς εἰς Χριστὸν πίστεως ὑμῶν. (NA28)

Col. 2.5. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, and I rejoice to see your morale and the firmness of your faith in Christ. (NRSV)

The Greek word στερέωμα is also found in a number of other ancient Greek writings where it always expresses the concepts of something solid, strength, firmness or steadfastness. Indeed, all hands (even the folks at Answers in Genesis!) freely admit that this Greek word expresses in Genesis the concept of a ‘solid, supporting structure.’

The Septuagint was the Bible of the Early Church until it was superseded by the Latin Vulgate. And, of course, what really matters is the choice of words used by the writers who penned the Tanakh—they used the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ that expresses the concept of the solid dome over the flat earth.

Every word in the Hebrew text of Genesis 1-11 is to be understood literally. The windows were real windows in a solid structure. On page 21 of his commentary on Genesis, the late John Skinner, Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge, writes,

6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11, 8:2, 2 Ki 7:2, 19) opened and shut by God at His pleasure (Ps 78:23).​

For an excellent study of the first eleven chapters of Genesis as they were given to us in the Hebrew language, please see the following:

Westermann, Clause. Genesis 1 - 11, German orig. 1972 (English translation by John J. Scullion, 1984 in the Continental Commentaries series, 636 pages).

The concept of a dome was never in the Hebrew nor Greek. That was a human construct added by the "catholic" church. The King James was correct calling it a firmament and not a dome. Firmament does not mean dome, hence a totally different English word.

How can a dome be a second "floor" to creation? Has any one made multiple story buildings where all the top floors were called domes? A floor is always flat, not a dome.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Genesis 2 is not a re-anything.

That is Genesis 2:4 to be precise for the topic of the re-enactment of the 6th day of creation but in more detail for where the generations of mankind had come from.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Now think about that. How can there be not a man to till the ground after we just read the first creation account in Genesis 1:1-2:3? BTW Scriptures did not come with numbered chapters or numbered verses and so the actual first creation account starts from Genesis 1:1 and then ends in2:3

Genesis 2:1-6 is the description of the Sabbath Day of the Lord.

Actually the description of Genesis 2:1-3 is how the Lord rested from all His creation in Genesis 1:1-2:3 on the 7th day.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now what does that means? It took Him six days to create everything for Him to rest on the 7th day. If it took Him longer than actual 6 days of creating everything, then He could not say in His words that He rested on the 7th day from all He has made.

That means Genesis 1:1 is the topic and the following verses from Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:3 was how God did all that in 6 days to rest on the 7th day.

Genesis 2:7 shows how Adam was created, not when. Genesis 2:8-15 was the creation of Eden after the completion of the Sabbath Day of the Lord.

No, because you would have to explain why in His words, there was not a man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5. There is no way for you to align the verses in Genesis 2:4 onward to your point of view when verse 5 derails it completely.

Creation began in Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1 is a general summary of the topic for the readers to know and Genesis 1:2 all the way to 2:3 was how God did that in Genesis 1:1 for Him to rest on the 7th day from all that He has made.

Genesis 1:2-31 is the description of the 6 days of creation, and bringing form to the heaven and the earth. Creation is heaven and earth. How creation works was developed after creation had already come into existence.

That is the typical erroneous reading that is a false teaching as handed down through the history of the churches, but not everyone read the 2 creation accounts in that way. Even Biblical scholars do err thinking that God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1 and then all of a sudden, He created light to do what, if the heavens and the earth was already there?

He created light for one purpose. To establish the beginning of creation by that first day with the evening and morning that first 24 hour day for Him to rest on the 7th day of creation week from all that He has made in that 6 days of creation.

So you are reading it wrong as Genesis 1:1 is an overall topic and the following verses from Genesis 1:2 all the way to Genesis 2:3 is how God did it in Genesis 1:1 for Him to rest on the 7th day from all that He has made.

 

[ChristB4Us]

The Hebrew Masoretic texts of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describe the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

So what exactly happened on day 3?

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

I read God commanded all the water to be one place when He laid the foundation of the earth on the 3rd day.

What would be the point of that if the flat earth was already there on Day 2?

Plus, you have to explain when & how the earth actually became circular in that creation week in following that line of "educated reasoning from the commentaries".

Did you note how God did not say it was good on the 2nd day? But on the 3rd day He did because I believe in His words that was when He got done creating the earth that 3rd day for Him to say it was good.

So explain why God did not say it was good on the 2nd day if it wasn't just as I read it to be, the beginning of the creation of the earth with that firmament called gravity dividing the waters from the water creating a water planet from the upper atmosphere.

 

[timtofly]

That is Genesis 2:4 to be precise for the topic of the re-enactment of the 6th day of creation but in more detail for where the generations of mankind had come from.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Now think about that. How can there be not a man to till the ground after we just read the first creation account in Genesis 1:1-2:3? BTW Scriptures did not come with numbered chapters or numbered verses and so the actual first creation account starts from Genesis 1:1 and then ends in2:3



Actually the description of Genesis 2:1-3 is how the Lord rested from all His creation in Genesis 1:1-2:3 on the 7th day.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now what does that means? It took Him six days to create everything for Him to rest on the 7th day. If it took Him longer than actual 6 days of creating everything, then He could not say in His words that He rested on the 7th day from all He has made.

That means Genesis 1:1 is the topic and the following verses from Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:3 was how God did all that in 6 days to rest on the 7th day.



No, because you would have to explain why in His words, there was not a man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5. There is no way for you to align the verses in Genesis 2:4 onward to your point of view when verse 5 derails it completely.



Genesis 1:1 is a general summary of the topic for the readers to know and Genesis 1:2 all the way to 2:3 was how God did that in Genesis 1:1 for Him to rest on the 7th day from all that He has made.



That is the typical erroneous reading that is a false teaching as handed down through the history of the churches, but not everyone read the 2 creation accounts in that way. Even Biblical scholars do err thinking that God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1 and then all of a sudden, He created light to do what, if the heavens and the earth was already there?

He created light for one purpose. To establish the beginning of creation by that first day with the evening and morning that first 24 hour day for Him to rest on the 7th day of creation week from all that He has made in that 6 days of creation.

So you are reading it wrong as Genesis 1:1 is an overall topic and the following verses from Genesis 1:2 all the way to Genesis 2:3 is how God did it in Genesis 1:1 for Him to rest on the 7th day from all that He has made.

Several things that you are missing about the first 2 chapters. These are not 2 separate creation accounts. Chapter 2 does not re-state the events of chapter 1.

Then you claim Genesis 1:2-31 describe verse 1. That is an erroneous view.

For all we know, creation could just be a square box. In the first verse everything that was necessary was in that box, but had no form and was void as God declared. We have literally no concept of what was empty and what was solid, because over the next 6 days God formed and shaped everything that was in place at the very beginning. All of the atomic structure for everything existed in verse 1, and God formed everything over the next 6 days as God gave form to everything, that would then exist from the day it was formed.

The very first day was God splitting the light, a new form, from the darkness that was having no form and void. There was 12 hours of darkness and 12 hours of light. Evening and then morning was the first day. So on and so forth, each preceding 24 hour day.

The Sabbath was a thousand year period, a Day of the Lord, just like the last Day of the Lord will be for a thousand years. That is why in Genesis 2 it says day as in singular of creation. The first 6 days was the first 6 days of a thousand year period, and then God planted the Garden of Eden, after the Sabbath Day, a thousand years later. 6,000 years is the punishment placed on Adam because God only took 6 days to create to completion, creation itself.

That is why God will have a Sabbath of rest that is also a thousand years long after mankind's 6,000 year punishment of labor.

You are also wrong about this verse:

"for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

This does not mean there were no humans on the earth. It means no one was punished with tilling the ground, until Adam disobeyed God. That was the punishment given to Adam and his descendants.

"Cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Adam was the cause of humans becoming farmers and tillers of the ground.

During the Sabbath God set it up so a few things would happen forever, had Adam never disobeyed God.

1. No rain. Meaning no weather and no seasons.

2. Nothing died. No seed from any plants nor trees ever entered the ground to produce new plants. Nothing wild, and nothing planted by humans. Literally for over a thousand years, nothing sprang from the ground, wild nor domestic, because no one ever tilled the earth, until Adam disobeyed God. No evolution of plant or tree life because everything was in the same spot until Adam disobeyed God, and then death happened, and instead of eating the seeds and fruit, the seeds and fruit had to go into the ground to produce more plants and trees, because now they all would die.

3. No insects, birds, animals, nor sons of God ever died. They multiplied upon the face of the earth eating every seed and fruit. The insects, birds, animals and sons of God had generations of life for a thousand years while God rested.

That is what Genesis 1 and 2 tells us:

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

Nothing new could grow, because all the seeds and fruit were what the rest of creation ate as meat. You do realize that it would be over 2500 years after the first week of creation before it would even rain, and there were seasons? The Flood was the first weather event of the entire earth.

Chapter 2 is describing life without death. Nothing new happened with plants and trees, until God planted the Garden of Eden a thousand years later, and took one of the sons of God, whom God named Adam and placed that son of God into the Garden of Eden a thousand years after Adam was formed from the dust of the ground. Or like everything, which was formed from the elements that came into existence in Genesis 1:1, the instant God created the heaven and the earth. The elements were there, Adam was just formed on the 6th day like the stars were formed on the 4th day. From material already in creation.

Another thing about creation is the the water above the firmament was not for protection. All the stars today existed between the water above the firmament and the earth. There is nothing from the stars that could harm life on earth, and our oceans today, used to be the water above those stars. Of course Genesis is totally foreign to human science. Most everything about science is wrong if Genesis is literal and true. We literally have no understanding of heaven or even how far away Paradise is, that is now the Garden with the tree of life with all the physical aspects of earth, but on the other side of the firmament. If there is still water up there, then the Garden may have an ocean surrounding it, or lakes, and rivers. But no one thinks anything physical can exist on the other side of the firmament. At one time is was just water, and then the Flood happened, and the Garden of Eden was no longer on the earth.

Paul described going there as:

"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Why are we forbidden to know what goes on in Paradise? Why are even the elect deceived by Satan when it comes to the first 5 books of the OT?

 

[ChristB4Us]

Several things that you are missing about the first 2 chapters. These are not 2 separate creation accounts. Chapter 2 does not re-state the events of chapter 1.

Then explain why there was no man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5.

 

[37818]

Genesis 2:6, But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Genesis 1:9-13,
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Genesis 2:6, But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

@timtofly

Wrong verse. I cited verse 5 whereas you quoted verse 6 if you were replying to my post # 85

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. < --- your verse

That verse 5 is why I see genesis 2:4 and onward as describing in detail on what had happened on that 6th day of creation but in more detail.

There were no other man and woman created before Adam and Eve since Adam's woman was named eve for this reason.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

That is why I am highlighting Genesis 2:4 to you @timtofly as that is the topic for the e-enactment of the 6th day of creation to explain to the readers where we had all come from.

Goes to point;

Genesis 1:1 is a general summary of what God has done and Genesis 1:2 all the way to Genesis 2:3 is how God did all that in Genesis 1:1.

That means the earth nor the heavens was created yet in that first day of creation since it took God 2 days, the 2nd and the 3rd day to create the earth and then the heavens in the 4th day.

All that was created the first day was the beginning of time by that light with its evening and morning that first day.

Biblical scholars err by applying the meaning of Jeremiah 4:23 as if it means the same thing in Genesis 1:2 and it does not.

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

In the context of the reading, the meaning is clear as it speaks of a change by the emptying thereof. There are verses testifying to this. It was inhabited. And then it was not.

But that is not the message in Genesis 1:2 when the earth was being created in 2 days, on the 2nd & 3d day and then the heavens the 4th day.

And for God to rest from all He has made in those literal 6 days on the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3, then God did all of that in Genesis 1:1 in 6 days for Him to rest on the 7th day.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That means the earth was not there in the first day. all that was there, was water.

 

[37818]

Simple.

Water was in Genesis 1:2 before Genesis 1:3-5 the first Earth day.

Genesis 1:2, And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:3-5, And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [URL='https://www.baptistboard.com/l4'] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.[URL='https://www.baptistboard.com/l5'] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The typical YEC denial begins with the first Earth day, if not, then before the first Earth day.





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[timtofly]

Then explain why there was no man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5.

I did. It was not necessary. Because prior to sin and death entering the world, nothing wild nor domestic was planted into the ground.

The verse does not mean a lack of humanity. The verse means a lack of agriculture. No seed ever entered the ground to form any new plant or tree. The same plants and trees from the 3rd day were still in exactly the same location, until Adam disobeyed God, and death entered the scene. Then plants and trees started to die, and the seeds were necessary to plant new plants and trees. After Adam disobeyed, then wild seeds grew out of the ground and humans would have to remove them to allow for productive agriculture.

You think the verse means a lack of humanity. No, quite the opposite. It means the lack of death. No seed entered the ground, died, and formed the next generation of plant life. The generations mentioned were those insects, animals, and sons of God eating all the seeds, and no seed was left on the earth not consumed by living things. The same seed producing plant or tree from the third day was still on the earth, thus no agriculture. The Garden of Eden was planted a thousand years after the first 6 days of creation.

The Day of the Lord in Genesis 2 is a thousand year period, just like the Millennial Kingdom of Christ after the Second Coming.

Isaiah 65 states that Vinyards planted at the beginning will never die nor need replanting for a thousand years.

 

[timtofly]

That means the earth was not there in the first day. all that was there, was water.

The earth was there, just not dry land. There is a difference.

 

[timtofly]

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Eve was not the mother of all the insects, animal life, nor life in the sea. Adam was the first pagan to announce a single mother of all living things. That is a pagan concept.

Eve was the mother of all spiritually dead humanity, born in a body of death.

Eve was not the mother of the sons of God, nor Adam a son of God. Adam was created and much much later, Eve was removed from Adam by God.

 

[ChristB4Us]

I did. It was not necessary. Because prior to sin and death entering the world, nothing wild nor domestic was planted into the ground.

Death does not need to come into the world if they were created to reproduce in that way.

The verse does not mean a lack of humanity. The verse means a lack of agriculture. No seed ever entered the ground to form any new plant or tree. The same plants and trees from the 3rd day were still in exactly the same location,

No man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5 comes across as this is a re-enactment of the 6th day of creation in explaining Genesis 2:4 where all the generations of mankind had come from.

The fact that after the fall, Eve was named such because she was the mother of all the living and so that means the first creation account for you to apply that to mean there were other Adams and Eves that were created before Genesis 2:4 & onward is false otherwise, Adam could not call her Eve if she was not the only mother of all the living to be consider as God's truth in His words.

You think the verse means a lack of humanity. No, quite the opposite. It means the lack of death.

You have to align the naming of Eve after the fall in Genesis 3:20 and the fact that it did say no man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5 for why how you are applying His words to be true and I cannot see you doing that.

Plus.. Adam's sin brought death into the world for how all of mankind that came from him inherited that sin.

If there were other Adams & Eves, then they did not eat from that forbidden tree and they would be perfect, right? How fair is that for other Adams and Eves to be cursed when they did not eat from that tree of the knowledge of good and evil?\

So there were no other Adams and Eves and for Eve to be the mother of all the living and for Genesis 2:5 to be true as there was not a man to till the ground yet, hence therefore genesis 2:4 & onward is the topic of where all the generations of mankind had come from and so it is a re-enactment of the 6th day of creation but in more detail.

 

[ChristB4Us]

The earth was there, just not dry land. There is a difference.

Not the first day, it wasn't. There would be no point for God to lay the foundation of the earth on the 3rd day if the land was underwater as some Christians try to say in reference to Jeremiah 4:23 that earth was a wasteland in Genesis 1:2

All that was created that day was the beginning by that light in establishing the first day by its evening and morning the very first day,

The second day God created a firmament which I see as gravity as it was in the midst of the waters to divide the waters from the waters thus creating a water planet with an upper atmosphere or sky; i.e. the first heaven. BUT God did not say it was good that day because He was not done creating the earth.

The Third day He laid the foundation and plant life and then said it was good because He was done creating the earth.

The 4th day He created the heavens for a purpose to gives lights to the earth for signs, seasons, times and years; that means He could not have created the heavens yet in Genesis 1:1 and so Genesis 1:1 is the overall summary of what God had done but the following verses from Genesis 1:2 for how the earth was not there all the way to Genesis 2:3 was how God did Genesis 1:1 in 6 days to rest on the 7th day.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Eve was not the mother of all the insects, animal life, nor life in the sea. Adam was the first pagan to announce a single mother of all living things. That is a pagan concept.

Eve was the mother of all spiritually dead humanity, born in a body of death.

Eve was not the mother of the sons of God, nor Adam a son of God. Adam was created and much much later, Eve was removed from Adam by God.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 

[timtofly]

Death does not need to come into the world if they were created to reproduce in that way.



No man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5 comes across as this is a re-enactment of the 6th day of creation in explaining Genesis 2:4 where all the generations of mankind had come from.

The fact that after the fall, Eve was named such because she was the mother of all the living and so that means the first creation account for you to apply that to mean there were other Adams and Eves that were created before Genesis 2:4 & onward is false otherwise, Adam could not call her Eve if she was not the only mother of all the living to be consider as God's truth in His words.



You have to align the naming of Eve after the fall in Genesis 3:20 and the fact that it did say no man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5 for why how you are applying His words to be true and I cannot see you doing that.

Plus.. Adam's sin brought death into the world for how all of mankind that came from him inherited that sin.

If there were other Adams & Eves, then they did not eat from that forbidden tree and they would be perfect, right? How fair is that for other Adams and Eves to be cursed when they did not eat from that tree of the knowledge of good and evil?\

So there were no other Adams and Eves and for Eve to be the mother of all the living and for Genesis 2:5 to be true as there was not a man to till the ground yet, hence therefore genesis 2:4 & onward is the topic of where all the generations of mankind had come from and so it is a re-enactment of the 6th day of creation but in more detail.

They were created to never die. If plants and trees never died, where would the new ones go?

What Adam claimed was not a truth.

When David was implicit in murder and explicitly an adulterer, does that make murder and adultery true and ok to do?

Adam was claiming a falsehood to cover up his own rebellion.

There were thousands of sons of God. Adam was not the only one created on the 6th day. Eve was not even created on the 6th day. How do you get that from Genesis 1 and 2?

The sons of God did not need an Eve. They were created perfect by God, and multiplied for a thousand years before Eve happened in the Garden of Eden.

What was Adam's punishment then? No one tilled the ground, until Adam was punished. Why would they need to do what the punishment was prior to Adam's disobedience?

Nothing wild grew until Adam disobeyed, and was punished by God.

No one tilled the ground because there was no need to do so, until Adam disobeyed God.

 

[timtofly]

Not the first day, it wasn't. There would be no point for God to lay the foundation of the earth on the 3rd day if the land was underwater as some Christians try to say in reference to Jeremiah 4:23 that earth was a wasteland in Genesis 1:2

All that was created that day was the beginning by that light in establishing the first day by its evening and morning the very first day,

The second day God created a firmament which I see as gravity as it was in the midst of the waters to divide the waters from the waters thus creating a water planet with an upper atmosphere or sky; i.e. the first heaven. BUT God did not say it was good that day because He was not done creating the earth.

The Third day He laid the foundation and plant life and then said it was good because He was done creating the earth.

The 4th day He created the heavens for a purpose to gives lights to the earth for signs, seasons, times and years; that means He could not have created the heavens yet in Genesis 1:1 and so Genesis 1:1 is the overall summary of what God had done but the following verses from Genesis 1:2 for how the earth was not there all the way to Genesis 2:3 was how God did Genesis 1:1 in 6 days to rest on the 7th day.

You are not even following the order presented in Genesis 1. You are just making things up to fit your explanation.

The heaven and earth were created, but had no form and was void.

There was water as part of the earth. You don't need to have dry land to have an earth. There is today more water than dry land. Why not claim there is no earth, because you need the same foundation under the ocean as when earth was created in Genesis 1:1?

 

[timtofly]

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Your point?

Adam was not the only son of God.

Seth was not the only son of Adam.

Enos was not the only son of Seth.

You cannot use this verse to claim there was only one son of God. You can use this verse to prove angels are not the sons of God. You can use this verse to prove the sons of God in Genesis 6 are not the offspring of Adam and Eve.

Adam was not the only son of God created on the 6th Day.

The corruptible daughters of Adam's offspring had corruptible offspring with incorruptible sons of God. Probably the sisters of Noah. Noah was born when his father was 182 years old. He was the first son after many daughters. Noah then lived for 500 years watching the offspring of Adam corrupting the offspring of the sons of God, and all were becoming increasingly wicked. Obviously also the offspring of Cain, because one of them killed a person, and seemed to brag that if any one avenged that young man, they would be punished 10 times more than those avenging Abel, 70 fold.

I would assert that Cain and Abel were sons of God, and born before Adam disobeyed God. They remained in the Garden of Eden, after Adam and Eve were cast out. Then Cain was cast out after killing Abel against the warning that God gave Cain. No one was left in the Garden at that point.

 

[ChristB4Us]

They were created to never die. If plants and trees never died, where would the new ones go?

What did God inform of man and living things on how they will eat?

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
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29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Herbs as in plants and thus also the fruits & nuts from the trees were for consumption. They were not created to be immortal.

 

[ChristB4Us]

You are not even following the order presented in Genesis 1. You are just making things up to fit your explanation.

The heaven and earth were created, but had no form and was void.

There was water as part of the earth. You don't need to have dry land to have an earth. There is today more water than dry land. Why not claim there is no earth, because you need the same foundation under the ocean as when earth was created in Genesis 1:1?

By His grace & by His help, I am reading His words as truth for how He did everything in Genesis 1:1 in 6 days for Him to rest on the 7th day as Genesis 2:1-3 testifies in His words plainly enough.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Your point?

Adam was not the only son of God.

Seth was not the only son of Adam.

Enos was not the only son of Seth.

You cannot use this verse to claim there was only one son of God. You can use this verse to prove angels are not the sons of God. You can use this verse to prove the sons of God in Genesis 6 are not the offspring of Adam and Eve.

Adam was not the only son of God created on the 6th Day.

The corruptible daughters of Adam's offspring had corruptible offspring with incorruptible sons of God. Probably the sisters of Noah. Noah was born when his father was 182 years old. He was the first son after many daughters. Noah then lived for 500 years watching the offspring of Adam corrupting the offspring of the sons of God, and all were becoming increasingly wicked. Obviously also the offspring of Cain, because one of them killed a person, and seemed to brag that if any one avenged that young man, they would be punished 10 times more than those avenging Abel, 70 fold.

I would assert that Cain and Abel were sons of God, and born before Adam disobeyed God. They remained in the Garden of Eden, after Adam and Eve were cast out. Then Cain was cast out after killing Abel against the warning that God gave Cain. No one was left in the Garden at that point.

Israel's family tree is traced to Seth whom was conceived to replace the slain godly Abel. Can abandoned his godly practice since his offering was not as good as Abel's & killing Abel was definitely Cain abandoning godly practices.

So Seth continued the godly practices of Abel as the sons of God that Israel's family tree is traced towards whereas Seth's other siblings and relatives did not engage in such practices at all since before the flood, the godly descendants of Seth bean marrying outside of Seth's godly lineage for how and why they abandoned their godly practices and their lives were shorted as a result.

Even though that was history, Israel did not learn from it as they began marrying outside the nation of Israel when they were not supposed to and learn ungodly practices and departed from their God also for why God punished Isreal many times.