God is not a Republican (or a Democrat)

[JustChristian]

Who's for in vitro fertilization? Liberals/Democrats
Who is for war? No one I know. The "unjust" is a matter of opinion which history will have to sort out.

Unjust capital punishment? No one I know is for that. But who is against capital punishment (which God instituted, btw)? Liberals/Democrats.

As for Iraqi lives, where you got that comparison is outta left field. Except apparently you believe our troops go in and murder, maim, rape, and plunder innocent Iraqi people. Well, apples and oranges. Nice try.

Oh, so you don't know any nice young couples who really wanted to have a child but couldn't seem to have one? So they tried the test tube baby route? I did in my former church. I couldn't tell you with a certainty what their politics were. I've never heard a Democrat come out in favor of doing that have you?

 

[ajg1959]

I'm a Democrat and I:

1) Do not support homosexual marriages. I do support their constitutional rights. I assume you don't.

2) Do not support legalizing drugs

3) Am against abortion except when the life of the mother is at risk. Why save the child and "murder" the mother?

4) I don't know where "out" is but I'm an evangelical Christian who witnesses whenever it's possible without forcing my religion on anyone. I don't see the need to teach religion in public schools or to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a court house. In my experience people fight for these kinds of things rather than putting their emphasis on witnessing or on living a Christian life.


However I do:

1) Speak out against unjust wars in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people are killed (Iraq).

2) Don't agree with people with distorted beliefs like George Bush using his "Christianity" for political gain.

3) Don't immediately assume that everyone who is a Republican believes one list of things and everyone who is a Democrat believes another complete list of things. As you can see, I don't believe in any of the things you listed that "All Democrats" believe in.

4) Believe that we should help the poor and needy. Ideally this would happen through the church but since that is never going to happen I believe our tax dollars should help.

5) Believe in the benefits of universal education with public schools bearing most of the responsibility. My mother and aunt both taught deaf children in the public schools for over 30 years and I greatly admire them for the amazing amount of good they did. I get made at people who bad moth public schools for that reason.

6) Believe in America's fundamental rights including the freedom to express your ideas even if they aren't supported by the majority.

7) Don't believe that an assault rifle is necessary for hunting or that we should have laws allowing the carrying of concealed handguns in public.

8) Don't believe in arbitrary banning of books or TV programs but do believe that children should be protected from pornography or extreme violence.

9) Don't support illegal aliens in the USA.

10) Believe that its worse than burning a flag to never vote. We go to war to force democracy on other countries but don't practice it ourselves.

11) Don't agree with bring patriotism into the church or mixing it with religion.

Well, I could go on and on but hopefully you get the picture. Assuming that a set of beliefs or characteristics apply to a large set of people is a tragic mistake. In fact, it's non-Christian.

All of the democratic candidates believe in that list of things. If they didnt, then the party wouldnt allow them to run for office.

Most everything you listed as your beliefs line up with the GOP policy and platform.

So why do you call yourself a democrat if you dont believe in the basic party platform? And why would you vote for it if you oppose it?

AJ

 

[moscott]

I'll say it again:


Democrats(Liberals) support Gay rights
Democrats (Liberals) want to legalize drugs
Democrats(Liberals) are pro abortion
Democrats(Liberals) want God/Religion out

There is a reason they vote overwhelmingly Democrat while polls show Christians vote overwhelmingly Republican. Whom you align with says alot about you and your beliefs. There is also a reason Ministers overwhelmingly vote Republican:
http://www.benedictionblogson.com/20...hern-baptists/

Can't say 100% that God would be a Republican, but I can say 100% that he would align more with the Republicans values and beliefs than the Liberal Democrats.


Seems the Baptist Preachers might know a little something about the matter.:tonofbricks:

 

[LadyEagle]

I'm a Democrat and I:

1) Do not support homosexual marriages. I do support their constitutional rights. I assume you don't.

2) Do not support legalizing drugs

3) Am against abortion except when the life of the mother is at risk. Why save the child and "murder" the mother?

4) I don't know where "out" is but I'm an evangelical Christian who witnesses whenever it's possible without forcing my religion on anyone. I don't see the need to teach religion in public schools or to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a court house. In my experience people fight for these kinds of things rather than putting their emphasis on witnessing or on living a Christian life.


However I do:

1) Speak out against unjust wars in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people are killed (Iraq).

2) Don't agree with people with distorted beliefs like George Bush using his "Christianity" for political gain.

3) Don't immediately assume that everyone who is a Republican believes one list of things and everyone who is a Democrat believes another complete list of things. As you can see, I don't believe in any of the things you listed that "All Democrats" believe in.

4) Believe that we should help the poor and needy. Ideally this would happen through the church but since that is never going to happen I believe our tax dollars should help.

5) Believe in the benefits of universal education with public schools bearing most of the responsibility. My mother and aunt both taught deaf children in the public schools for over 30 years and I greatly admire them for the amazing amount of good they did. I get made at people who bad moth public schools for that reason.

6) Believe in America's fundamental rights including the freedom to express your ideas even if they aren't supported by the majority.

7) Don't believe that an assault rifle is necessary for hunting or that we should have laws allowing the carrying of concealed handguns in public.

8) Don't believe in arbitrary banning of books or TV programs but do believe that children should be protected from pornography or extreme violence.

9) Don't support illegal aliens in the USA.

10) Believe that its worse than burning a flag to never vote. We go to war to force democracy on other countries but don't practice it ourselves.

11) Don't agree with bring patriotism into the church or mixing it with religion.

Well, I could go on and on but hopefully you get the picture. Assuming that a set of beliefs or characteristics apply to a large set of people is a tragic mistake. In fact, it's non-Christian.

Wow, for the most part, you sound like you're in the wrong party, BB.

 

[LadyEagle]

Oh, so you don't know any nice young couples who really wanted to have a child but couldn't seem to have one? So they tried the test tube baby route? I did in my former church. I couldn't tell you with a certainty what their politics were. I've never heard a Democrat come out in favor of doing that have you?

What I do know is that Democrats are in favor of growing test tube babies and then killing them off to "harvest" their stem cells. :tear:

 

[JustChristian]

All of the democratic candidates believe in that list of things. If they didnt, then the party wouldnt allow them to run for office.

Most everything you listed as your beliefs line up with the GOP policy and platform.

So why do you call yourself a democrat if you dont believe in the basic party platform? And why would you vote for it if you oppose it?

AJ

Nobody has done anything to stop abortion. The Republicans use that issue to get evangelical Christians to vote for them but then don't do anything. I'm firmly against wars that aren't absolutely necessary e.g. WWII. The republican party has become the party of war. i support helping the poor and providing decent healthcare for most if not all Americans. The Republican Party is against these things.

Finally, I don't vote a straight ticket. i've voted for Republicans for President and other offices. I vote the man not the party.

 

[JustChristian]

What I do know is that Democrats are in favor of growing test tube babies and then killing them off to "harvest" their stem cells. :tear:

No. When couples make the immoral decision to have a child through In Vitro fertilization they leave a large number of embryos frozen. Almost all of these are never "adopted" so the decision then becomes do do discard them or do you use them for medical research to help people with diseases like Parkinson's disease. The correct moral decision is to make In vitro fertilization illegal just as abortion should be made illegal. Since that hasn't happened the decision today is whether to trash these unwanted embryos or use them to help others.

What's your call on this decision?

 

[Revmitchell]

No. When couples make the immoral decision to have a child through In Vitro fertilization they leave a large number of embryos frozen. Almost all of these are never "adopted" so the decision then becomes do do discard them or do you use them for medical research to help people with diseases like Parkinson's disease. The correct moral decision is to make In vitro fertilization illegal just as abortion should be made illegal. Since that hasn't happened the decision today is whether to trash these unwanted embryos or use them to help others.

What's your call on this decision?

No stem cells no invitro get rid of it all.

 

[LadyEagle]

No. When couples make the immoral decision to have a child through In Vitro fertilization they leave a large number of embryos frozen. Almost all of these are never "adopted" so the decision then becomes do do discard them or do you use them for medical research to help people with diseases like Parkinson's disease. The correct moral decision is to make In vitro fertilization illegal just as abortion should be made illegal. Since that hasn't happened the decision today is whether to trash these unwanted embryos or use them to help others.

What's your call on this decision?

I believe and always have believed that IVF is wrong, it is playing God. But your reasoning about using fertilized eggs for medical research is faulty, akin to using discarded aborted fetuses for cosmetics and scientific research since they are trash anyway. It's all wrong. Just as animal torture in the name of scientific research is wrong. Sinful man trying to be the Creator and using sinful logic to justify the sin. Romans Chapter 1.

amended to add:

The Stem Cell Research Controversy: President Bush vetoed expanded stem cell research (another one for the pro-life column, BTW).

http://newsbatch.com/stemcells.htm

How they voted on expanded stem cell research: (The Party of Death senate vote again, see the graph).

http://newsbatch.com/vtarch706-stemsenate.html

When I have time, I will research even more statistics to show the Republican majority is pro-life (including the present President) and our 2 candidates, while the Democratic majority is pro-death (including the Democratic 2 candidates). So to say the Republican Party has done nothing is an overstatement - a veto may not be all we pro-lifers hope for, but at least it's a baby step (no pun intended) in the right direction, along with crucial Supreme Court nominees. When it is all added up, agreed, abortion still continues, but at least there is a small check and balance to letting the left have total control over killing our unborn citizens.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I believe and always have believed that IVF is wrong, it is playing God.

Is it playing God when we resuscitate people or save people's lives through a whole host of medical procedures? Just curious about your feeling?

 

[LadyEagle]

Is it playing God when we resuscitate people or save people's lives through a whole host of medical procedures? Just curious about your feeling?

Not the same thing, apples and oranges. IVF and/or cloning, and those areas fall into the human life creation area - God's territory.

 

[moscott]

Nobody has done anything to stop abortion. The Republicans use that issue to get evangelical Christians to vote for them but then don't do anything.

Couldn't be more incorrect on a statement. The main and only 1 of the few true powers the President has is to nominate Supreme Court Justices. Democrats want Justices who would maintain Roe v Wade and Republicans want Justices who would overturn Roe v Wade. In the last few years the nominations have gone Conservative. If Obama and Biden and Pelosi etc...have power---you can bet the next Justices to be appointed will be ultra Liberal(Ginsburg, Breyer) nominated by whom else but Bill Clinton. In the next 4-8 years you will likely have 3-4 new appointees. God help us if Obama gets the picks.:tear:

 

[Revmitchell]

Couldn't be more incorrect on a statement. The main and only 1 of the few true powers the President has is to nominate Supreme Court Justices. Democrats want Justices who would maintain Roe v Wade and Republicans want Justices who would overturn Roe v Wade. In the last few years the nominations have gone Conservative. If Obama and Biden and Pelosi etc...have power---you can bet the next Justices to be appointed will be ultra Liberal(Ginsburg, Breyer) nominated by whom else but Bill Clinton. In the next 4-8 years you will likely have 3-4 new appointees. God help us if Obama gets the picks.:tear:

The statement was not sincere. It is just an excuse to sooth a guilty conscience for supporting a pro-death candidate.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Couldn't be more incorrect on a statement. The main and only 1 of the few true powers the President has is to nominate Supreme Court Justices. Democrats want Justices who would maintain Roe v Wade and Republicans want Justices who would overturn Roe v Wade. In the last few years the nominations have gone Conservative. If Obama and Biden and Pelosi etc...have power---you can bet the next Justices to be appointed will be ultra Liberal(Ginsburg, Breyer) nominated by whom else but Bill Clinton. In the next 4-8 years you will likely have 3-4 new appointees. God help us if Obama gets the picks.:tear:

Even Conservative justices may not overturn Roe v. Wade. Every candidate has to testify before the Senate. Every candidate is always ask how important they believe precedent is in their decisions. Every candidate always says, "Precedent is very important." If they did not answer thus they would never be approved as Supreme Court Justices. No case in our history has more precendent than Roe v. Wade. If the Justices were telling the truth, then they will not overturn Roe v. Wade. If they were lieing, then they are dishonest, unethical men/women. It is very doubtful they are that dishonest and unethical.

No, I am not defending abortion, just stating what is and will remain that way.

John Roberts testimony: But during the 2003 Senate confirmation hearings on his appellate court nomination, Roberts took the position that abortion rights were no longer debatable. "Roe vs. Wade is the settled law of the land," he told lawmakers. "There's nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent."

http://www.issues2000.org/Court/John_Roberts_Abortion.htm

Samuel Alito: Supreme Court nominee Samuel A. Alito Jr. has signaled he would be highly reluctant to overturn long-standing precedents such as the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/08/AR2005110801938.html

 

[LadyEagle]

No case in our history has more precendent than Roe v. Wade.

Here's where you are wrong: Roe v Wade established a precedent, it did not have a precedent.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Here's where you are wrong: Roe v Wade established a precedent, it did not have a precedent.

It stands because of decisions made after the initial decision. Did you read the quotes from the two Bush appointees?

My point still stands, it is not going to be overturned.

 

[Revmitchell]

It stands because of decisions made after the initial decision. Did you read the quotes from the two Bush appointees?

My point still stands, it is not going to be overturned.

It will be overturned because it is based on a lie. Therefore it has no legal standing.

 

[LadyEagle]

It will be overturned because it is based on a lie. Therefore it has no legal standing.

Exactly. It sounds like some here don't want it to be overturned. :tear:

 

[JustChristian]

I believe and always have believed that IVF is wrong, it is playing God. But your reasoning about using fertilized eggs for medical research is faulty, akin to using discarded aborted fetuses for cosmetics and scientific research since they are trash anyway. It's all wrong. Just as animal torture in the name of scientific research is wrong. Sinful man trying to be the Creator and using sinful logic to justify the sin. Romans Chapter 1.

amended to add:

The Stem Cell Research Controversy: President Bush vetoed expanded stem cell research (another one for the pro-life column, BTW).

http://newsbatch.com/stemcells.htm

How they voted on expanded stem cell research: (The Party of Death senate vote again, see the graph).

http://newsbatch.com/vtarch706-stemsenate.html

When I have time, I will research even more statistics to show the Republican majority is pro-life (including the present President) and our 2 candidates, while the Democratic majority is pro-death (including the Democratic 2 candidates). So to say the Republican Party has done nothing is an overstatement - a veto may not be all we pro-lifers hope for, but at least it's a baby step (no pun intended) in the right direction, along with crucial Supreme Court nominees. When it is all added up, agreed, abortion still continues, but at least there is a small check and balance to letting the left have total control over killing our unborn citizens.

So, you vote to trash the embryo?

 

[LadyEagle]

Nope, IMO, the only solution for those already created would be to implant them into a uterus and carry those children full term to delivery, not killed for their stem cells.

Preserving the lives of those already created and creating no more, preserving the sanctity of life of the unborn, should be the goal. But your hypothetical still does not take away from the fact that the Democratic Party seeks to destroy life and Republican Party seeks to preserve life. What would Solomon do?