*God is the one who placed Obama as President of these United States of America

[poncho]

Sounds like Steaver wants to get to heaven in a hurry. Apparently the prospect of getting his nails dirty in a little spritual warfare is too much for him to handle. :laugh:

Calm down and take a deep breath you'll get there when the Lord see's fit. Easy escapism isn't going to get you anywhere but sad and depressed when you find yourself still here 20 or 30 years from now living under a tryanny you could have at least tried to do something about when you had the chance. You got kids Steaver?

 

[BigBossman]

I don't believe that God "placed" Obama in office. I believe that God allowed Obama to take office. Sometimes bad things happen for a reason. Sometimes God allows bad things to happen to us to see how we handle it (to test us). Read the Book of Job. I also believe that often times good things come out of bad situations.

I believe the reason Obama was allowed to take office was to serve as a wake up call. When we stray from the path that God wants us on, we get crummy leadership from the cheif executive. Of course, I mean "we" as a nation.

 

[LeBuick]

Well therein lies the problem. I urge you to study prophecy, God gave us the book of Revelation for a purpose, so we can observe the times and preach the word.

Rev 13:9If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Here we see ALL the earth is forced to worship one god.

Rev 13:15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Those who will not comply will be killed.

Rev 13:16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I'll ask you again, do you think this mark is a 666 stamp? I believe it will be micro chip technology. Just a speculation.

Rev 13:17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

There is your one world economy. I would suggest that before the antichrist enters the seen all of these tools for him to use will be in place. Listen to the news every day how they are clammering for a one world currency.

This is just one passage, there are more. Haven't you ever studied prophecy? Jesus wants us to know what is happening. Pray for our country, but understand, things get worse, not better. There will be one currency and an international government whom most will join, but I say some will hold out and be forced to join when the antichrist emerges. And of course the antichrist will enforce a one world religion with himself set up as god.

God Bless! :thumbs:

So you don't believe in the rapture where the Church is pulled out before these things happen?

 

[LeBuick]

There isn't anything to explain. No man knows the "day or hour". You need to explain why you have not been discerning the signs of the times?:

Can you name a generation, going back to ACT 2, who didn't see the "day or hour" manifesting in their time? Man has always watched the signs but has consistently be wrong regarding what they are seeing. I'm not making that a reason to stop watching the signs as we were commanded, I'm just asking what makes your conclusions more accurate then any of the conclusions since ACT's 2?

 

[LeBuick]

I also believe that often times good things come out of bad situations.

Perhaps we considered a situation bad because we didn't see the good that was coming??

I believe the reason Obama was allowed to take office was to serve as a wake up call. When we stray from the path that God wants us on, we get crummy leadership from the cheif executive. Of course, I mean "we" as a nation.

I don't subscribe to the belief that we are being judged as a nation. Salvation is now an individual relationship with God and not that of an entire nation like with Israel. America clearly is not "God's chosen people" or we wouldn't have some many non-Christians in this country...

 

[steaver]

JustChristian;

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Yes, we already established this and everyone agrees with it. Now back to what we have been speaking about...

What do you think JustChristian? Should we be "discerning the signs of the times", "seeing the Day approaching"?

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

poncho;

Calm down and take a deep breath you'll get there when the Lord see's fit. Easy escapism isn't going to get you anywhere but sad and depressed when you find yourself still here 20 or 30 years from now living under a tryanny you could have at least tried to do something about when you had the chance. You got kids Steaver?

Yes, two.

You didn't answer my question, what are you doing besides sitting on your computer chair and complaining?

:jesus:

 

[RalphIII]

steaver;1396249]Let's not lose sight of the fact that God is the one who placed Obama as President of these United States of America for His purposes in His timing.

We should be praising God that the Day is getting ever closer which means this world must go global government and global economy...

God also allowed Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, King George III, and other evil rulers to come to power? Were we wrong in fighting those men and the evil they wreacked upon the Earth? God punished, devided and led His people Israel into and out of slavery because of bad Rulers. Was God wrong for having put them in charge in the first place?
No. God blesses us and charges us to do His will. It is man who chooses to sin or perform evil. BTW, I beleive He allowed those men to come to power in raising good men against them and in exposing real evil. It is up to us to fight the good fight.

We are Christians people! God will take care of His children. It is going to get ugly. Are you prepared to endure the persecution? Stop whinning about how this country is going to the One world Order, BECAUSE that is what this country MUST do. This world must go to one government and one curency...

Your reasoning is drastically wrong. God does not call us as Christians to be slothful or indifferent to evil and sin as Christians. I will continue to be outspoken against Obama and the evil he supports and his dangerous policies for America. America has always served as a beacon to others and in helping others but if it fails only bad will come from it. Maybe God will change the heart of Obama or maybe He will use him to wake up Americans to such as Obama!

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

Bigbossman;

I don't believe that God "placed" Obama in office. I believe that God allowed Obama to take office. Sometimes bad things happen for a reason. Sometimes God allows bad things to happen to us to see how we handle it (to test us). Read the Book of Job. I also believe that often times good things come out of bad situations.

I believe the reason Obama was allowed to take office was to serve as a wake up call. When we stray from the path that God wants us on, we get crummy leadership from the cheif executive. Of course, I mean "we" as a nation.

God allowed, God placed. No difference. Obabma is another piece of God's plan to bring in the one world government with one world currency.

:thumbs:

 

[steaver]

LeBuick;

So you don't believe in the rapture where the Church is pulled out before these things happen?

I believe in pre-trib rapture. What I am saying is that the system of one world government and one world currency most likely would be in place or at least set up and ready to implement before the church is raptured.

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

LeBuick;

Can you name a generation, going back to ACT 2, who didn't see the "day or hour" manifesting in their time? Man has always watched the signs but has consistently be wrong regarding what they are seeing. I'm not making that a reason to stop watching the signs as we were commanded, I'm just asking what makes your conclusions more accurate then any of the conclusions since ACT's 2?

The only thing man has been consistantly wrong about is when man took it upon themselves to set days or hours, even a year. We are called to discern the times. Do you not see one world government, one world currency knocking at the door? And this government and currency is what the scripture declares the antichrist will take advantage of? Therefore, it is nearer now than when we first believed. The Day will come, it should not be as a theif in the night for those who pay attention to the signs of the times and what the scripture has to say.

:jesus:

 

[carpro]

Brother, you are taking the fact that Jesus said no man can know the "day or hour" and taking the position that since you cannot know the day or hour then you won't concern yourself with paying any attention to what is going on in the world verses what the scripture said would happen before His return.

You are ignoring a lot of scripture. Jesus also said to "discern the times". I posted much scripture but you are stuck on the "day and hour". One can know when a women is about to give birth, but one cannot know the day or hour unless it be a scheduled c-section.

:jesus:

There have been many false "discerners", wouldn't you say? So...

How long are the "times"? 10 years? 100 years? 1000 years?

How does one know they are "discerning" correctly?

When the "day or hour" actually arrive?

 

[steaver]

RalphIII;

God also allowed Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, King George III, and other evil rulers to come to power? Were we wrong in fighting those men and the evil they wreacked upon the Earth? God punished, devided and led His people Israel into and out of slavery because of bad Rulers. Was God wrong for having put them in charge in the first place?
No. God blesses us and charges us to do His will. It is man who chooses to sin or perform evil. BTW, I beleive He allowed those men to come to power in raising good men against them and in exposing real evil. It is up to us to fight the good fight.

Amen!

Quote:Steaver;
We are Christians people! God will take care of His children. It is going to get ugly. Are you prepared to endure the persecution? Stop whinning about how this country is going to the One world Order, BECAUSE that is what this country MUST do. This world must go to one government and one curency...


RalphIII; Your reasoning is drastically wrong. God does not call us as Christians to be slothful or indifferent to evil and sin as Christians.

Is that what I said?

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

carpo;

There have been many false "discerners", wouldn't you say? So...

How long are the "times"? 10 years? 100 years? 1000 years?

How does one know they are "discerning" correctly?

When the "day or hour" actually arrive?

Are you questioning me or Jesus' words? What does this mean....

Mat 16:3And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?

Hbr 10:25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

I am here admonishing believers to discern the signs of the times and watch as ye see the Day approaching and you are challenging me saying we shouldn't? What's up? Don't like what the scripture says or my application of the scripture? Tell me what these passages teach. Are we to discern the signs of the times and watch the Day approaching or not?

:jesus:

 

[LeBuick]

... devided and led His people Israel into and out of slavery because of bad Rulers. Was God wrong for having put them in charge in the first place?...

That was very different, Israel as a nation was God's chosen people. You remember, the descendent's of Abram. The US is not Gods chose people despite how many evangelicals think we are. Salvation is now an individual we all must achieve.

Your reasoning is drastically wrong. God does not call us as Christians to be slothful or indifferent to evil and sin as Christians. I will continue to be outspoken against Obama and the evil he supports and his dangerous policies for America.

:jesus:

I think the difference here is "evil" according to God and perceived evil according to man. Because you call an action of Obama evil doesn't make it evil. The question is is it evil in the sight of God?

God has however made it clear that lying and bearing false witness are evil. Yet I see it being done daily against Obama and it is supported by God's people. I find it odd to see a person say they can't support evil like abortion but appear very much in favor of spreading lies, bearing false witness and generating/propagating a spirit of fear which we didn't get from God.

So how is it we can declare God doesn't want us to be slothful or indifferent to evil then we turn around and do evil things ourselves?

 

[LeBuick]

I believe in pre-trib rapture. What I am saying is that the system of one world government and one world currency most likely would be in place or at least set up and ready to implement before the church is raptured.

:jesus:

But you're also saying as Christians our focus is to be rapture ready and not consumed with the things of this world. Do I have that right?

 

[LeBuick]

The only thing man has been consistantly wrong about is when man took it upon themselves to set days or hours, even a year. We are called to discern the times. Do you not see one world government, one world currency knocking at the door? And this government and currency is what the scripture declares the antichrist will take advantage of? Therefore, it is nearer now than when we first believed. The Day will come, it should not be as a theif in the night for those who pay attention to the signs of the times and what the scripture has to say.

:jesus:

You indicated according to the signs of the times, the day and hour are at hand. I was just wondering if you can name a generation since ACTS 2 that have not seen these same signs and sounded this same warning in their time? It was declared Hitler was the AC. Well, Hitler is dead.

 

[steaver]

LeBuick

But you're also saying as Christians our focus is to be rapture ready and not consumed with the things of this world. Do I have that right?

"Consumed"? I said we should be paying attention and yes we should be rapture ready.

LeBuick;

You indicated according to the signs of the times, the day and hour are at hand. I was just wondering if you can name a generation since ACTS 2 that have not seen these same signs and sounded this same warning in their time? It was declared Hitler was the AC. Well, Hitler is dead.

"Same signs"? Wars and rumours of wars have been going on ever since Jesus ascended on High. When is the first recorded account in history of a collective clammoring for one world currency and a one world government by many around the world at the same time? And since this time has it been as intense as it has been since Obama has taken over the Presidency?

Hitler wanted the world for himself, he did not want a one world government of many countries, he wanted a one world dictatorship.

You'll have to give specifics of what signs you are thinking of throughout history and then we can compare them with what is going on today.

Do you not see the Day approaching? Have you discerned the signs of the times, (what are the signs you see) and if so what have you concluded?

:jesus:

 

[billwald]

What if God is "post trib, post mil"

and we have been in the last days fo 2000 years?

 

[steaver]

billwald;

and we have been in the last days fo 2000 years?

Now you have it! :thumbs:

How have you been discerning the signs of the times brother? Do you see the Day approaching? It's closer now than when we first believed!

:jesus: