*God is the one who placed Obama as President of these United States of America

[poncho]

Yes, two.

You didn't answer my question, what are you doing besides sitting on your computer chair and complaining?

:jesus:

Two children then. Okay. So, you're willing to let them suffer under a global dictatorship you may or may not be able to do something about so you can get to heaven a little faster? I'd rather take on the suffering for my child now and do what I can to slow down or stop the march of tyranny so she may have a chance to avoid being enslaved by it in the future. Must be I'm a bad dad then eh?

I would think with your superior powers of decernment you'd already know the answer to the question you asked.

You want to know who really put Obama in office? Look at who he has appointed to places of power. The stooges of international bankers, multinational corporations and the military industrial complex. If you're looking for change from this cat forget about it you're going to get more of the same only this time with a left cover rather than a right cover.

His policies are just an extention of tha last guy's who's policies were just an extention of the guy before him and so on so forth back to Wilson. JFK stood up for the people and look where he is today.

If God is truth then why would he install a deceiver like Obama? Is God in the business of deceiving people now? Sounds more like something the "world's god" would do to me.

 

[OldRegular]

You do understand this world must go one world government, one world currencey, one world religion, correct?

What do you think the mark of the beast in the hand or forehead might be? A 666 stamp? I believe it will probably be a number added to one's bank account number, and without out it one cannot buy or sell. Micro chip technology is already being used, I think it will take off in the near future.

Pay attention to the signs of what is going on in the world. Don't think this trend is going to turn around. These things must happen (Republican or Democrat) , and then the end will come. Praise God you see them happening for you know your redemption draws nigh!

:jesus:

You are entitled to your beliefs. Also you are free to be totally wrong.

 

[OldRegular]

It's still a reason to point out....the Word does not tell us to sit by and watch the things taking place and not pointing them out. Thanks for making it even more clear that the the "Thief" is soon to come!

And Hal Lindsy is a right on guy.

Obama will be the one to open the door for the coming together of Canada, Mexico and the USA. This will get us closer to the one-world government, yet it won't join us up with Europe, which most Americans would fight.

There has to be a one-world monetary system, and the NAU will bring our Amero into that system. Look for the NAU to happen sooner than anyone on this board may believe! It could happen on a Monday, and it could be soon....Americans will be told that this is the "fix" for the current problems, and it will work.

There are so many things happening in russia, China, Israel, America, Europe. Evrything, including Obama, is the part of the revelation of the anti-christ.

Again, thanks for your input....it helps to solidify this most recent action by Obama.

Pastor Paul:type:

Apparently you people are getting a "word of knowledge" as pat Robertson would say. My question is from where: Hal Lindsey, Van Impe, whatever?

 

[OldRegular]

And Hal Lindsy is a right on guy.
Pastor Paul:type:

Hal Lindsey like LeHaye has made a mint twisting Scripture into fiction to please, and take advantage of, those with itching ears. [2 Timothy 4:3]

 

[OldRegular]

"Where is the promise of His coming--"!

The problem is you dispensationalists butcher the interpretation of the Scripture related to the above question.

 

[OldRegular]

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I'll ask you again, do you think this mark is a 666 stamp? I believe it will be micro chip technology. Just a speculation.God Bless! :thumbs:

Here you see in living black and blue the fallacy of dispensational eschatology. They have taught for years the any-moment-return of Jesus Christ to rapture His Church. Here we learn this could not happen until the microchip had been invented. According to some of Lindsey's writings it could not happen until the invention of the helicopter! Weird!!:laugh::laugh:

 

[OldRegular]

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I'll ask you again, do you think this mark is a 666 stamp? I believe it will be micro chip technology. Just a speculation.

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Actually something similar happened during the Roman persecution of the Church. Philip Schaff in his History of the Christian Church [Volume 2, page 68] describes one particular act of persecution under Diocletian in which one can readily see the fulfillment of John’s prophecy regarding those who do not wear the mark of the beast [Revelation 13:17], as follows:

"The persecution raged longest and most fiercely in the East under the rule of Galerius and his barbarous nephew Maximin Daza, who was intrusted by Diocletian before his retirement with the dignity of Caesar and the extreme command of Egypt and Syria. He issued in autumn, 308, a fifth edict of persecution, which commanded that all males with their wives and servants, and even their children, should sacrifice and actually taste the accursed offerings, and that all provisions in the markets should be sprinkled with sacrificial wine. This monstrous law introduced a reign of terror for two years, and left the Christians no alternative but apostasy or starvation."

 

[OldRegular]

2Pe 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11[Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2Pe 3:16As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I need some interpretation. Is Peter describing the Rapture or WHAT since he states in verse 10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[steaver]

poncho;

Two children then. Okay. So, you're willing to let them suffer under a global dictatorship you may or may not be able to do something about so you can get to heaven a little faster?

You beef is with God my friend. Global government is God's plan and Global Dictatorship is what God said the antichrist will have. We can't stop it brother, we can whine and belly ache but it is developing just as God said it would and the Day of Jesus Christ will come. There is no "doing something to stop it ir slow it" . God has a time table and it will unfold as He has determined. Our responsibility is to pay attention to what God is doing and preach to the saints and the lost about it. Not form a militia to stop it!

poncho;

I'd rather take on the suffering for my child now and do what I can to slow down or stop the march of tyranny so she may have a chance to avoid being enslaved by it in the future. Must be I'm a bad dad then eh?

You never did say how you are suffering to stop it. Please share.

The fact remains though, that some generation of children are going to live under one world government, whether it be ours or some saints in the future. Don't be selfish and pray God your children won't be the ones. God will protect our children and we christians will be plucked out of the way before the antichrist is revealed.

poncho;

You want to know who really put Obama in office? Look at who he has appointed to places of power. The stooges of international bankers, multinational corporations and the military industrial complex. If you're looking for change from this cat forget about it you're going to get more of the same only this time with a left cover rather than a right cover.

His policies are just an extention of tha last guy's who's policies were just an extention of the guy before him and so on so forth back to Wilson. JFK stood up for the people and look where he is today.

Amen to that! :thumbs:

poncho;

If God is truth then why would he install a deceiver like Obama? Is God in the business of deceiving people now? Sounds more like something the "world's god" would do to me.

Satan has no power but what God has given him to fulfill His purposes.

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

OldReg;

Here you see in living black and blue the fallacy of dispensational eschatology. They have taught for years the any-moment-return of Jesus Christ to rapture His Church. Here we learn this could not happen until the microchip had been invented

Show me were you learned this from the quote you posted...

Originally Posted by steaver
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I'll ask you again, do you think this mark is a 666 stamp? I believe it will be micro chip technology. Just a speculation.God Bless! :thumbs:

 

[steaver]

OldReg;

Actually something similar happened during the Roman persecution of the Church. Philip Schaff in his History of the Christian Church [Volume 2, page 68] describes one particular act of persecution under Diocletian in which one can readily see the fulfillment of John’s prophecy regarding those who do not wear the mark of the beast [Revelation 13:17], as follows:

"The persecution raged longest and most fiercely in the East under the rule of Galerius and his barbarous nephew Maximin Daza, who was intrusted by Diocletian before his retirement with the dignity of Caesar and the extreme command of Egypt and Syria. He issued in autumn, 308, a fifth edict of persecution, which commanded that all males with their wives and servants, and even their children, should sacrifice and actually taste the accursed offerings, and that all provisions in the markets should be sprinkled with sacrificial wine. This monstrous law introduced a reign of terror for two years, and left the Christians no alternative but apostasy or starvation."

1Jo 2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

OldReg;

I need some interpretation. Is Peter describing the Rapture or WHAT since he states in verse 10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I believe the Day Peter is describing is when Jesus comes back with all the raptured saints at the end of the Tribulation period. This Day shall not take the saints by surprise...

1Th 5:4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

:jesus:

 

[poncho]

You beef is with God my friend. Global government is God's plan and Global Dictatorship is what God said the antichrist will have. We can't stop it brother, we can whine and belly ache but it is developing just as God said it would and the Day of Jesus Christ will come. There is no "doing something to stop it ir slow it" . God has a time table and it will unfold as He has determined. Our responsibility is to pay attention to what God is doing and preach to the saints and the lost about it. Not form a militia to stop it!



You never did say how you are suffering to stop it. Please share.

The fact remains though, that some generation of children are going to live under one world government, whether it be ours or some saints in the future. Don't be selfish and pray God your children won't be the ones. God will protect our children and we christians will be plucked out of the way before the antichrist is revealed.



Amen to that! :thumbs:



Satan has no power but what God has given him to fulfill His purposes.

:jesus:

Oh I see. You think I want to form a militia. :laugh:

I think you must be watching too much tv for your own good. No one in the patriot movement...the real one, not the one set up by the gubment to fool folks like you would ever dream of using violence to take on the NWO.

That's just what they want. Violence would give them the excuse they need to crack down on everyone with their militarized police force. Not only would that be stupid it would be non productive. Although it would bring on more suffering so you can rejoice over other's misery for a bit. "Yea for the suffering of many is great therefore the Lord must be near". I couldn't sleep at night if I thought like that.

God gave us this republic we live in. The constitution is the law. The government is bound by the constitution. We the people are responsible to make sure the government lives within the boundaries of that law. What you are saying is we have no responsibility to do our duty to our country. Or bring the lawless to justice.

We're only here to preach God's word? I suggest you go back and read God's word concerning civic duty. The gift of salvation or the Lord's return doesn't give anyone a free pass to get out of their worldly responsibilities.

Oh and I didn't say because it's obvious. Maybe that's why you keep missing it? I'll give you a hint my suffering is talking to people like you day after day who would rather someone else get their hands dirty doing the hard work while you hide behind your "righteousness" and reap the benefits of their toil and suffering. Bottom line is we're to keep on keeping on until Jesus returns. He isn't here yet. So quit all yer shirking and get back to work.

 

[steaver]

poncho;

Oh and I didn't say because it's obvious. Maybe that's why you keep missing it? I'll give you a hint my suffering is talking to people like you day after day who would rather someone else get their hands dirty doing the hard work while you hide behind your "righteousness" and reap the benefits of their toil and suffering. Bottom line is we're to keep on keeping on until Jesus returns. He isn't here yet. So quit all yer shirking and get back to work.

are you serious!!? All this suffering you have been boasting about is you sitting on a computer chair and belly aching? And you have the nerve to scold me when I say I am busy preaching the word? WOW! Good heavens, please raying:

When I asked you how you were suffering you could have just posted this...:type:

Good grief...

 

[OldRegular]

OldReg;

I need some interpretation. Is Peter describing the Rapture or WHAT since he states in verse 10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Steaver
I believe the Day Peter is describing is when Jesus comes back with all the raptured saints at the end of the Tribulation period. This Day shall not take the saints by surprise...

1Th 5:4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

If this happens seven years after the so-called rapture why would the Apostle Peter need to tell his readers the following:

2 Peter 3:1-4
1. This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2. That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Now obviously if the "rapture" had happened seven years earlier Peter could not have mede the remarks in verse 4: Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

If Peter is talking about the end of the tribulation period then there could be no millennial reign since he states:and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[JustChristian]

There are still a few of us who are reading "the signs of the times" as He told us to do.

Many others (as you have seen in this thread ) are just flipping to "Dancing With the Stars", sippin' their suds, and proclaiming, "Where is the promise of His coming--"!

Maybe not in so many words, but by their little cutesy(?) barbs and wannabe witticisms.

Oh well, He said such would be toward the end.

And just for the nay-sayers, nobody, NOBODY, is predicting a date.

MARANATHA​

I for one am NOT questioning the Second Coming of my :Lord Jesus Christ. I've simply said that no one including YOU knows when that will happen. You claim that no one is predicting a date and yet talk about the signs of His coming soon. It might come tomorrow and it might come in another 1,000 years. I really don't care. I just know He's coming for His own.

 

[steaver]

OldReg;

If this happens seven years after the so-called rapture why would the Apostle Peter need to tell his readers the following:

2 Peter 3:1-4
1. This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2. That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Now obviously if the "rapture" had happened seven years earlier Peter could not have mede the remarks in verse 4: Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

The timing of the rapture has no relevance with what Peter said.

OldReg;

If Peter is talking about the end of the tribulation period then there could be no millennial reign since he states:and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Why not? Do you think this means the earth disappears?

:jesus:

 

[carpro]

Steaver wrote:
God allowed, God placed. No difference.

Huge difference.

God did not make Obama President of the United States.

 

[steaver]

JustChristian;

I for one am NOT questioning the Second Coming of my :Lord Jesus Christ. I've simply said that no one including YOU knows when that will happen. You claim that no one is predicting a date and yet talk about the signs of His coming soon. It might come tomorrow and it might come in another 1,000 years. I really don't care. I just know He's coming for His own.

We are instructed to care and to watch....

1Th 5:2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:6Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.


If you are not watching for the day approaching then you cannot obey this passage of scripture....

Hbr 10:25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

We are instructed to watch for the day of the Lord, and according to this passage, we can see it coming. Jesus cared enough about it to give us this instruction, I don't know why you reject His exhorting.

:jesus:

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by carpro:
There have been many false "discerners", wouldn't you say? So...

How long are the "times"? 10 years? 100 years? 1000 years?

How does one know they are "discerning" correctly?

When the "day or hour" actually arrive?

Are you questioning me or Jesus' words? What does this mean....

You.

And you dodged the questions.