God uses means

[pinoybaptist]

Pinoy, can you answer this post please.

Spiritually dead.
The state of being immersed, dead, in sin and trespasses.

that was our condition before being quickened by God.
To the Ephesians Paul wrote, and by application, to all saints after his time:

Ephesians 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; KJV

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, (NIV)

And to you did he give life, when you were dead through your wrongdoing and sins, (Bible in Basic English)
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins.... English Standard Version.


Here is Ephesians 2:1 all the way to verse 5 for an understanding of the context:

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,


Being dead in sin and trespasses made us incapable of understanding, or (HELLO, ICON, ARE YOU LISTENING ?) even mildly interested in the word of God, or the things concerning God.

You say, "we know he wasn't saved".
Where did it say that in Acts 8 ?
On the contrary, when Philip says, "IF thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest" the eunuch affirmed his belief.

He was a regenerate child of God who needed instruction on who Jesus Christ is to him.
The preachers say he is "unsaved", the seminaries say he is "unsaved", many read "unsaved" in the Bible which is not there.

 

[pinoybaptist]

pinoybaptist

Everyone is offering the clear teaching of scripture.It is and has been proven.

Everyone ? who is everyone ? you ?

This constant excuse on your part is not cutting it. Nothing is out of context at all......Your lack of comprehension does not mean it is out of context.

Nothing wrong with my lack of comprehension.
Have you checked yours lately ?

persecution was a means used to scatter the believers, the result was they preached everywhere.

yeah. persecution was applied to the believers. it doesn't mean it was a means to get anyone ETERNALLY REDEEMED and ETERNALLY SAVED.
Hello ?
Can you spell comprehension ?

sign gifts got the peoples attention....

signs always gets anyone's attention. the Jews were fond of signs, weren't they ?
it still doesn't detract that the sign was FOR THE APOSTLES.
Hello ?
Can you spell comprehension ?

then they believed...that is what happened...

I do not see any mention of"timely" salvation as if it in anyway differed from the one salvation that comes from God.

the gifts did not bleed. Christ did. the gifts did not rise from the dead, Christ did. the gifts do not have an elect from the foundation of the world, Christ did.
did the lame walking again guarantee his eternal salvation ?
Christ does.
did the blind seeing again guarantee his eternal salvation ?
Christ does.

the blind was healed here in time, not in eternity.
the lame walked again here in time, not in eternity.
need I say more ?
Oh, I forgot, you can't spell comprehension.

sign gifts were means used by God to credential the Apostles and His Divine word....there is no question of this.

okay.

The scriptures present balance that is clear....It is not about me or what you expect of me.

okay, again.
except the balance of scripture is being offset by misunderstood verses.

I will be obedient to God to bring gospel truth to all men.

wow. Jesus Christ must really be impressed.

The results belong to God.....lk14;

yeah, right, sez the one questioning the ability of the Holy Spirit to regenerate His own without any human agency.

And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

Okay.

You can look at it and ignore it if you want,,,,I will obey.

who's telling you to disobey ?

sign gifts confirmed the word which was the means used.

sign gifts confirmed the authority of the apostles as given by Christ. It did not become a means to redeem anyone.

Yes they can....

this is where I said you are an Arminian, but, I've always suspected most Calvinists were really Arminians, anyway.

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Did Agrippa even know what "Christian" meant as taught by Paul among brethren ?

Not enough to save them unless the Spirit gives a new heart.
Those in the parable of the sower.. also fell away...they had a temporary human trust rather than a Godly faith.

so, you're saying they're damned ?

God has always preached to believers and unbelievers.

still doesn't prove God used preaching to save (eternally) even those you call "unbelievers".

 

[DHK]

Spiritually dead.
The state of being immersed, dead, in sin and trespasses.

that was our condition before being quickened by God.
To the Ephesians Paul wrote, and by application, to all saints after his time:

Ephesians 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; KJV

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, (NIV)

And to you did he give life, when you were dead through your wrongdoing and sins, (Bible in Basic English)
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins.... English Standard Version.


Here is Ephesians 2:1 all the way to verse 5 for an understanding of the context:

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,


Being dead in sin and trespasses made us incapable of understanding, or (HELLO, ICON, ARE YOU LISTENING ?) even mildly interested in the word of God, or the things concerning God.

This is the mistake that most Calvinists and some others make. Your definition is wrong and that leads to a wrong theology. "Dead" does not mean lifeless as in a corpse. That is not the definition that it has in the Bible.
Death means separation.

1. There is physical death.
[FONT=&quot]James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.[/FONT]
--When the spirit is separated from the body, it is dead. Death is separation.

2. There is spiritual separation.
[FONT=&quot]Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;[/FONT]
--Those that are separated from God are dead. They are not lifeless in that they cannot hear the Word of God. They are separated and have no spiritual life.
Adam died spiritually in the day that he ate of the fruit. He was separated from God spiritually. Yet he still heard God speak to him. He had lost his fellowship with and it wasn't restored until God sacrificed an animal for them .

3. There is eternal death. Rev.20:10-15
Death and hell shall be thrown into the lake of fire and they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
They shall be separated from God for all eternity. Believe me! They will live on for all eternity in a state of death, that is being separated from God.
Death is separation.

Therefore, in Eph.2:1 "those that are dead in sin" need to be reconciled to God in order to have life.
We are the means of that reconciliation:
[FONT=&quot]2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.[/FONT]

You say, "we know he wasn't saved".
Where did it say that in Acts 8 ?

Where does it say he was? Philip was directed by God to the Eunuch because he had need of being saved; had need of Christ. It plainly says:

[FONT=&quot]Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.[/FONT]
--If he was saved there would be no need to preach unto him Jesus.

On the contrary, when Philip says, "IF thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest" the eunuch affirmed his belief.

He did the same that Paul did on the road to Damascus. He confessed or called on the name of the Lord. He didn't need a vision. He had the Word. He had Philip's explanation of the Word. God uses men. That is what the Great Commission is all about.

He was a regenerate child of God who needed instruction on who Jesus Christ is to him.
The preachers say he is "unsaved", the seminaries say he is "unsaved", many read "unsaved" in the Bible which is not there.

You are the only one that says he is a regenerate child of God. You have no authority to say so. You stand on your imagination and not the Word of God here. God directed Philip to the Eunuch because he had no idea of regeneration or salvation or how to understand the Word of God. He did not have any relationship with Christ at all.

 

[pinoybaptist]

This is the mistake that most Calvinists and some others make. Your definition is wrong and that leads to a wrong theology. "Dead" does not mean lifeless as in a corpse. That is not the definition that it has in the Bible.

Death means separation.

1. There is physical death.
[FONT=&quot]James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.[/FONT]
--When the spirit is separated from the body, it is dead. Death is separation.

which one is dead ? the body ? or the spirit ?

2. There is spiritual separation.
[FONT=&quot]Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;[/FONT]
--Those that are separated from God are dead. They are not lifeless in that they cannot hear the Word of God. They are separated and have no spiritual life.
Adam died spiritually in the day that he ate of the fruit. He was separated from God spiritually. Yet he still heard God speak to him. He had lost his fellowship with and it wasn't restored until God sacrificed an animal for them

Did he die spiritually as a result of his being separated from God spiritually, or did he simply lost his fellowship with God. kindly make up your mind.

3. There is eternal death. Rev.20:10-15
Death and hell shall be thrown into the lake of fire and they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
They shall be separated from God for all eternity. Believe me! They will live on for all eternity in a state of death, that is being separated from God.
Death is separation.

yes, I believe you.
and thank you for all your discourses on dead and death.
it still doesn't change the primary meaning of being dead in sins and trespasses.

Therefore, in Eph.2:1 "those that are dead in sin" need to be reconciled to God in order to have life.

uh, that's not what I read.
What I read was, "you hath he quickened who were dead.....".
it didn't say, "you hath need to be reconciled, who were dead.....

We are the means of that reconciliation:
[FONT=&quot]2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

No. We are not the means of that reconciliation.
We are the bearers of the good news of an already done reconciliation. One that was effected with or without us in the picture.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Paul was referring to himself, and Barnabas.
He was called to be God's ambassador to His people.

Where does it say he was? Philip was directed by God to the Eunuch because he had need of being saved; had need of Christ. It plainly says:

[FONT=&quot]Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.[/FONT]

Where does it say he wasn't saved ?

--If he was saved there would be no need to preach unto him Jesus.

Really ? so you don't need to preach Jesus to one who professes to be saved already ?

He did the same that Paul did on the road to Damascus. He confessed or called on the name of the Lord. He didn't need a vision. He had the Word. He had Philip's explanation of the Word.

You sure about that ? Did you really read the part where it says "behold , a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship. He was an Ethiopian Jew who was fully aware of a Being called Yahweh whom he had come to worship. He just had no knowledge of who it was being spoken of in Isaiah 53. Once explained to him, the light that was already in him, was made manifest through the gospel, as in 2 Timothy 1:9-10.

God uses men. That is what the Great Commission is all about.

To duplicate or complete what Christ did ? To TEACH and PREACH the gospel to all nations where those He redeemed are scattered, yes. But if the great commission is to eternally save from the fires of hell those whom they preach to, didn't Christ already do that ?

You are the only one that says he is a regenerate child of God. You have no authority to say so.

and on the other hand, you are authorized to say who are the children of the devil or those who are unsaved ?

You stand on your imagination and not the Word of God here.

and you don't ?

God directed Philip to the Eunuch because he had no idea of regeneration or salvation or how to understand the Word of God.

agreed. he was to be pointed to Christ.

He did not have any relationship with Christ at all.

you mean unacquainted. all God's elect children have a relationship with Christ. He is their brother, God, Savior, Lord, whether they know it or not.

 

[pinoybaptist]

I understand what the gospel is.

No you don't. you only think you do.

What you are teaching is fatalism and not the gospel.

no it is not. it is scriptural.

I have no trouble saying that I would stand with some of the non cals

I believe you. You're one of them, from the beginning.

rather than you or your unchurched sidekick.

my unchurched friend has a clearer understanding of what God, in Christ, did for His people than you can even hope to have.

The non cals even grasp that God while sovereign still employs means which you clearly deny.

You're a pathological liar. I never said God does not use means at all times. I questioned the assumptions that God uses means to regenerate His people, or to save them eternally.
dude, do you really need to twist words and misrepresent what I've been saying ?
are you really gonna sink to that low level ?

What you believe does not disturb me in that it is of no consequence as you do not employ missionary activity so you instead hide any light under a bushel...

another indication of your total ignorance of Primitive Baptists. We have missions in the Philippines, India, and Africa, dude.
But these are missions to point Christ to His people as THE Savior to whom they owe their hope in heaven, THE victorious Savior by whom their tombs being as empty as His is guaranteed.
These are NOT missions to duplicate what Christ has ALREADY done.

we cannot let sinners see or hear anything right???

again, get the facts of this discussions straight in your head, dude.

Yes lets keep it a secret like the man with one talent who hid it.

The man with one talent was a sinner ? I thought he was a servant.

I had not had much dealings with PB beliefs before, but now I will know to avoid them at all cost.

Lies again. You NEVER had dealings with PB's is the truth. If you did, you'd know better than to accuse us of the things you accuse us.

Because someone can speak about the "elect" is not a ticket into heaven.

Never said it was.

EWF said someone "killed" your other thread. I believe him for once.
They did kill it- it was a mercy killing:thumbs:

oh, so now you want me to bawl and get into a fight with the admins ?
they want to kill it, it's their right.
whether they killed it because of me, that's on their consciences, not mine.

To deny that God uses sheep to reach other sheep is a travesty.

Big fat lie. never denied God uses sheep to reach other sheep. I denied God uses sheep to reach GOATS, big difference.
Get your facts straight, dude.

To sit back and teach some kind of carnal security....you called it preservation , rather than perseverance is quite understandable now.

We didn't snatch that out of thin air, dude.
you sure you know your Bible ?
here it is:
JUDE 1:1 - Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called:

it does not matter how many scriptures you are shown, you are unable to welcome them.

I welcome all Scriptures. What I do not welcome is the twisting of these scriptures to prove a doctrine nowhere stated or hinted to by the scriptures quoted, such as you have done many times.

You turn your back on the professing church as if you alone have truth when in reality you cannot describe biblical salvation or biblical sanctification or verses like this which you have no theology for;

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;

Never said we alone have truth either, that, again, is your lying mouth.
We follow peace with all men, and holiness, too, before God and among ourselves.
you really know NOTHING about PB's.
your ignorance is evident.

You substitute a carnal security saying it is all past, which allows professed PB's to post potty mouth posts and think they are okay because it is all past..

oh, I see. so you deny that redemption is over and done ? and because we hold that redemption is done and Christ IS victorious and went to heaven to His Father by His blood, we have a carnal security ? man, you're as twisted as they come.

.they are being preserved...

take it up with Jude, dude.

their personal conduct does not matter...

where did I say our personal conduct DOES NOT matter ?
dude, you really have no hope of winning this arguments, so you resort to lies and insinuations ?
have some dignity, boy.

So when Paul asks this question-

Romans 6

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

you can say...YES...it does not matter how you live...it is all past, your works have nothing to do with salvation.....no thanks....I will stick with the professing church...not some novelties. old school error is more like it:thumbs:

again, point to where I said it does not matter how we live.
if you cannot, I say, again, YOU ARE A BALD-FACED LIAR, boy.

 

[Rippon]

Philip was directed by God to the Eunuch because he had need of being saved; had need of Christ. It plainly says:

[FONT=&quot]Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.[/FONT]
--If he was saved there would be no need to preach unto him Jesus.

You are the only one that says he is a regenerate child of God. You have no authority to say so. You stand on your imagination and not the Word of God here. God directed Philip to the Eunuch because he had no idea of regeneration or salvation or how to understand the Word of God. He did not have any relationship with Christ at all.

Pinoy, I have to agree with DHK here. You and other Primitive Baptists (if they go along with this novelty of yours) are out alone on an island. The Ethiopian was unregenerate. He did not know of the gospel of Christ until Philip explained it to him as DHK pointed it --Acts 8:35. If you all reject that I would assume that you would reject some other classic Christian doctrine. Does it give you pause to reflect that no orthodox preacher/theologian/Bible scholar ever taught what you believe on this?

Would you dare to preach/teach to an unregenerate person? Let me further elaborate that you have no discerning power to tell if that person is elect or not. So would you have the desire to tell that person the Gospel?

 

[Rippon]

You're a pathological liar.



Lies again.



Big fat lie.

your lying mouth.

man, you're as twisted as they come.

YOU ARE A BALD-FACED LIAR, boy.

All of the above contradicts what you said below.

We follow peace with all men, and holiness too, before God and among ourselves.

 

[Rippon]

The man with one talent was a sinner ? I thought he was a servant.

He was a "wicked, lazy servant" according to Jesus, in Matt. 25:26. And read verse 30 carefully:"And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

 

[Rippon]

another indication of your total ignorance of Primitive Baptists. We have missions in the Philippines, India, and Africa, dude.
But these are missions to point Christ to His people as THE Savior to whom they owe their hope in heaven,

Are you under the assumption that every single person is regenerate in those missions? And wouldn't it more correct to call these stations places where the people are pointed to Christ?

I denied God uses sheep to reach GOATS.

You don't think it is within God's providence for goats to hear the Gospel? The Lord has His purposes in everything. You don't have to sort out people :"Now the sheep are these folks and the goats are over there." You have not made a mistake if you preach the gospel to goats. I dare say any preacher worth his salt has preached to goats within the sound of his voice. The wheat and tares grow up together. They will be sorted out later, but not by you or me.

 

[Iconoclast]

pinoybaptist

Everyone ? who is everyone ? you ?

Nothing wrong with my lack of comprehension.
Have you checked yours lately ?
Hello ?
Can you spell comprehension ?
Hello ?
Can you spell comprehension ?
need I say more ?
Oh, I forgot, you can't spell comprehension.

:sleep:

You're a pathological liar.
Lies again.
Big fat lie.
your lying mouth.
man, you're as twisted as they come.
YOU ARE A BALD-FACED LIAR, boy.

:sleep:

dude, do you really need to twist words and misrepresent what I've been saying ?
are you really gonna sink to that low level ?

dude.
again, get the facts of this discussions straight in your head, dude.

We didn't snatch that out of thin air, dude.
Get your facts straight, dude
take it up with Jude, dude.
dude, you really have no hope of winning this arguments,

I do not have to win anything.Just exposing your error and watching your foul posting speaks for itself.:thumbs:

wow. Jesus Christ must really be impressed.
yeah, right, sez the one questioning the ability of the Holy Spirit to regenerate His own without any human agency

.

God uses means that you deny. The Spirit used Philip....you deny it....

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

 

[Iconoclast]

He was a "wicked, lazy servant" according to Jesus, in Matt. 25:26. And read verse 30 carefully:"And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Do not confuse him with the facts:thumbs:

He likes his fantasy ideas that leave off human responsibility.:thumbs:

 

[pinoybaptist]

All of the above contradicts what you said below.

stating facts about a person, who has printed lies IN PRINT, ?
what, peace at any price ?
why don't you ask your friend here if his initial post and attitude towards us align with what you said about my reply to HIS post and quote.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Do not confuse him with the facts:thumbs:

He likes his fantasy ideas that leave off human responsibility.:thumbs:

once again, you are caught lying IN PRINT.
I have agreed that the gospel call includes repentance and that the regenerates who come under that call are responsible to answer that call to repentance.
Are regenerates not humans ?
is that the only way you hope to win this debate ?
with lies ?
you have lost, time and time again, point by point, and have been unable to prove by Scripture that the Holy Spirit uses means to regenerate His people.
you are the one fantasizing about the correctness of your side by lifting Scriptures totally out of context and insisting they mean what you are saying.
go fly a kite, boy.

 

[PreachTony]

You are the only one that says he is a regenerate child of God. You have no authority to say so. You stand on your imagination and not the Word of God here. God directed Philip to the Eunuch because he had no idea of regeneration or salvation or how to understand the Word of God. He did not have any relationship with Christ at all.

Solidly written, DHK. There is not a single one of us that can speak toward the saved/unsaved, or regenerate/unregenerate status of any other person. We can relate that person's testimony, but the truth is their soul's status rests solely between them and the Lord.

you mean unacquainted. all God's elect children have a relationship with Christ. He is their brother, God, Savior, Lord, whether they know it or not.

"Unacquainted," "unregenerate," we're starting to play a semantics game here. The fact is the Ethiopian had no understanding of what he was reading. When Philip began teaching and preaching to him Jesus, I believe the Holy Spirit moved in the heart of the Ethiopian and brought him to a place of knowing the Lord.

According to your doctrine, pinoy, the Ethiopian already had Jesus in his heart...so why bother sending Philip to him? Why did the Spirit move Philip to his chariot, if he already was a "brother" to Jesus? Simple. Because he wasn't. It took the movement of the Spirit, along with the Word of God, to bring the Ethiopian to a place of salvation.

Pinoy, I have to agree with DHK here. You and other Primitive Baptists (if they go along with this novelty of yours) are out alone on an island. The Ethiopian was unregenerate. He did not know of the gospel of Christ until Philip explained it to him as DHK pointed it --Acts 8:35. If you all reject that I would assume that you would reject some other classic Christian doctrine. Does it give you pause to reflect that no orthodox preacher/theologian/Bible scholar ever taught what you believe on this?

Would you dare to preach/teach to an unregenerate person? Let me further elaborate that you have no discerning power to tell if that person is elect or not. So would you have the desire to tell that person the Gospel?

Rippon, I've been in the ministry for about 13 years or so now, and every time I've felt the urgency of the Spirit to preach the word, every time I've been given opportunity to preach, and the message contains words of salvation and of Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection (speaking as the Spirit gives utterance), then I pretty much automatically assume that there is someone within the congregation that needs to hear a message of salvation. I don't believe the Lord would send me a message about salvation to a congregation that was wholly saved. It would be like teaching 2-year-olds about tax reform...it would be useless to their walk because it would no longer apply to them. I know that's not a perfect analogy, but I hope it makes my point.

 

[pinoybaptist]

pinoybaptist


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I do not have to win anything.Just exposing your error and watching your foul posting speaks for itself.:thumbs:

my foul posting, eh ? I am truly rotfl.:laugh:
you should be in politics, boy.
you have a knack for starting a ruckus, and then blaming somebody else for it.

God uses means that you deny. The Spirit used Philip....you deny it....

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

means TO WHAT ?
Prove by Scripture (if you can without lifting them out of context, that is) that the Ethiopian was unregenerate when the Holy Spirit sent Philip to him. That the Spirit used Philip to explain the gospel to the Eunuch so He, the Spirit, can regenerate the eunuch.

THAT is what is being discussed here, boy.
THAT is what I denied and got your self-righteous, I-am-God's-assistant-in-saving-His-people all fired and riled up.
I DENY and DO NOT AGREE that God uses means to regenerate, quicken, get his people born from above.
Not a preacher, not tracts, not churches, not testimonies, not bibles, not exemplary living, not danger, nothing.
Somebody has a thirst for the gospel, listens to it, responds to it, and gets it about Christ, like the Ethiopian eunuch, because he already has been born from above.
Then you can teach him of his responsibilities: faith, repentance, obedience, baptism, brethren.
until then, anything you say will be at best tolerated, at worst, ignored.
But, hey, this offends you, I understand that.
It robs you of glory, and gives all to God.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

my foul posting, eh ? I am truly rotfl.:laugh:
you should be in politics, boy.
you have a knack for starting a ruckus, and then blaming somebody else for it.





means TO WHAT ?
Prove by Scripture (if you can without lifting them out of context, that is) that the Ethiopian was unregenerate when the Holy Spirit sent Philip to him. That the Spirit used Philip to explain the gospel to the Eunuch so He, the Spirit, can regenerate the eunuch.

THAT is what is being discussed here, boy.
THAT is what I denied and got your self-righteous, I-am-God's-assistant-in-saving-His-people all fired and riled up.
I DENY and DO NOT AGREE that God uses means to regenerate, quicken, get his people born from above.
Not a preacher, not tracts, not churches, not testimonies, not bibles, not exemplary living, not danger, nothing.
Somebody has a thirst for the gospel, listens to it, responds to it, and gets it about Christ, like the Ethiopian eunuch, because he already has been born from above.
Then you can teach him of his responsibilities: faith, repentance, obedience, baptism, brethren.
until then, anything you say will be at best tolerated, at worst, ignored.
But, hey, this offends you, I understand that.
It robs you of glory, and gives all to God.

JamesL was right......there is no difference.....probably Fullerite. Now its exposed so put him on "Ignore" and avoid the egregious commentary. God bless you for exposing it though. :godisgood:

 

[Rippon]

JamesL was right......there is no difference.....probably Fullerite.

You keep referencing the term "Fullerite" in too many posts to count. I have asked you to flesh it out but you have not done so. I think you don't have any clue --you're probably a Sandemanian.

 

[Iconoclast]

You keep referencing the term "Fullerite" in too many posts to count. I have asked you to flesh it out but you have not done so. I think you don't have any clue --you're probably a Sandemanian.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Iconoclast]

[PreachTony

"Unacquainted," "unregenerate," we're starting to play a semantics game here.

The fact is the Ethiopian had no understanding of what he was reading. When Philip began teaching and preaching to him Jesus, I believe the Holy Spirit moved in the heart of the Ethiopian and brought him to a place of knowing the Lord.

No question about it:thumbs:

According to your doctrine, pinoy, the Ethiopian already had Jesus in his heart...so why bother sending Philip to him?

Yes..exactly:thumbs:

Why did the Spirit move Philip to his chariot, if he already was a "brother" to Jesus? Simple. Because he wasn't.

Yes...true again...very simple:thumbs:

It took the movement of the Spirit, along with the Word of God, to bring the Ethiopian to a place of salvation.

Very true:thumbs:

 

[pinoybaptist]

Solidly written, DHK. There is not a single one of us that can speak toward the saved/unsaved, or regenerate/unregenerate status of any other person.
We can relate that person's testimony, but the truth is their soul's status rests solely between them and the Lord.

yet DHK also had no authority to presume that the eunuch was unsaved, or did he ?

"Unacquainted," "unregenerate," we're starting to play a semantics game here.

explain how this is playing semantics. "unacquainted" means not familiar with, not knowledgable about, unknown to someone or does not know someone personally.

regenerate pertains to spiritual rebirth.
I don't see semantics here.
but of course, you see what you want to see.

The fact is the Ethiopian had no understanding of what he was reading.

True. He said so himself.

When Philip began teaching and preaching to him Jesus, I believe the Holy Spirit moved in the heart of the Ethiopian and brought him to a place of knowing the Lord.

No. He was regenerated, quickened, born from above, PRIOR to being made acquainted with the Lord. No semantics, see ?

According to your doctrine, pinoy, the Ethiopian already had Jesus in his heart...so why bother sending Philip to him? Why did the Spirit move Philip to his chariot, if he already was a "brother" to Jesus?

By the same token, we might ask, well, why didn't God simply restore the world to what it was prior to Adam's fall ? Or, since the cross and the blood and the tomb are already empty, and those who should be redeemed have already been redeemed, why didn't God simply nuke the earth and bring down the new heavens and the new earth ?

Simple. Because he wasn't. It took the movement of the Spirit, along with the Word of God, to bring the Ethiopian to a place of salvation.

Right. Now considering that (1) Jesus was the author of eternal redemption, (2) He is the only begotten Son of God, (3) it was His blood that was shed, (4) He was the One who rose from the dead, the question is what manner of salvation ? addendum: and oh, yes, everyone for whom He died was adopted into God's family, finally, in time, and is His brother. You were Jesus' brother even before you were born.