God's desire

[AustinC]

Not at all. The issue is you are philosophizing about verses rather than reading Scripture (you miss the forest for the trees).

God desires all come to knowledge of the truth. But all do not (those who reject God are not, as you imply, doing God's will).

No, he isn't. You are the one honing in on the trees, Jon. You are missing the forest.

Jon, all humans reject God. If it were not for God choosing to redeem men, no one would be saved.

"But God..."

"Salvation belongs to the Lord."
~ Jonah 2:9

 

[Silverhair]

Silverhair, if only one person was graciously saved, that would be one more than was deserved and God's love for the world would still be true.
"But God..."

Let those two words sink in to your cranium.

"But God..."

Austin it is clear that the bible is not your authority. You have denied the bible consistently. Where do you keep getting your silly ideas from? Your determinism is your downfall and you do not even realize it.

Is this a true statement "God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of
His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"... LBCF 3/1

Let these words sink into your cranium
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

You deny scripture and trumpet your Calvinistic philosophy. The sad part is that I do not think you even understand the theology you claim to follow.

 

[Silverhair]

No, he isn't. You are the one honing in on the trees, Jon. You are missing the forest.

Jon, all humans reject God. If it were not for God choosing to redeem men, no one would be saved.

"But God..."

"Salvation belongs to the Lord."
~ Jonah 2:9

Yes salvation belongs to the Lord and He has chose to save those that trust in His son.
What you continue to ignore is that if Calvinism were true then all those that reject God do so because He has decreed that they do so. Calvinism destroys the character of God and all Calvinists need to repent of such a vile idea.

 

[AustinC]

Yes salvation belongs to the Lord and He has chose to save those that trust in His son.
What you continue to ignore is that if Calvinism were true then all those that reject God do so because He has decreed that they do so. Calvinism destroys the character of God and all Calvinists need to repent of such a vile idea.

He has chosen...before anyone puts their trust in Jesus
"Salvation belongs to the Lord."
Solely to the Lord, and no one else.
"But God, even while we were still dead..."

What you continue to ignore is that the Bible tells us it is solely God and no one else. You keep living in this mythology that if Calvin hadn't lived, what is observed in the Bible wouldn't have been expressed to us and by us. You keep treating Calvin as though he were a cult leader, when in fact he was an ordinary person just writing down his observation of the Bible...the whole, entire Bible. Calvin simply did a much better job than you do. It seems you are jealous of the gifts God gave him that you don't possess. Is that it? You're jealous and that's why you are obsessed with him? It pangs you to know you are terrible at hermeneutics while Calvin was astute? It seems the mystery is solved. You're jealous.

 

[AustinC]

Austin it is clear that the bible is not your authority. You have denied the bible consistently. Where do you keep getting your silly ideas from? Your determinism is your downfall and you do not even realize it.

Is this a true statement "God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of
His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"... LBCF 3/1

Let these words sink into your cranium
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

You deny scripture and trumpet your Calvinistic philosophy. The sad part is that I do not think you even understand the theology you claim to follow.

You are simply deluded.

"But God..."

 

[Silverhair]

He has chosen...before anyone puts their trust in Jesus
"Salvation belongs to the Lord."
Solely to the Lord, and no one else.
"But God, even while we were still dead..."

What you continue to ignore is that the Bible tells us it is solely God and no one else. You keep living in this mythology that if Calvin hadn't lived, what is observed in the Bible wouldn't have been expressed to us and by us. You keep treating Calvin as though he were a cult leader, when in fact he was an ordinary person just writing down his observation of the Bible...the whole, entire Bible. Calvin simply did a much better job than you do. It seems you are jealous of the gifts God gave him that you don't possess. Is that it? You're jealous and that's why you are obsessed with him? It pangs you to know you are terrible at hermeneutics while Calvin was astute? It seems the mystery is solved. You're jealous.

Have I denied that God is the one that saves, NO. That is just your attempt to deflect from the real problem of Calvinism. You ignore scripture and then jump up and down saying I do not understand Calvinism. The problem for you is that I do, whereas you do not.

Look at scripture, God saves and He saves those that trust in His son. That is what galls you the most, the bible refutes your theology.

As far a Calvin goes your the one that follows him not me and I do not care what he said. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[JonC]

No, he isn't. You are the one honing in on the trees, Jon. You are missing the forest.

Jon, all humans reject God. If it were not for God choosing to redeem men, no one would be saved.

"But God..."

"Salvation belongs to the Lord."
~ Jonah 2:9

Salvation belongs to the Lord.

This does not mean it pleases God for the lost to rebel against Him. That is the point of so many passages.

Those who do not come to a knowledge of the truth are disobedient to God's will.

Your view is called "hyper Calvinism". It sees some truths and, to borrow from Spurgeon, misapplies the truth that it sees via inflating those truths out of its proper context.

 

[Van]

Does God desire all people (1 Timothy 2:4) to be saved unconditionally, or only according to His redemption plan?

Since all people are not saved, for example the person headed for swift destruction in 2 Peter 2:1, then God's desire is not unconditionally applied, but conditionally applied, to those whose faith in Christ He credits as righteous faith.

In order to make this possibility of salvation available to all humanity, Christ died as a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6.

 

[Van]

I'm glad to learn that you've seen the light and become a Calvinist.

I do believe once saved, always saved, which makes me a one point Calvinist. However, I believe God's word means what it says, and therefore must reject Calvinism as unbiblical nonsense.
Did Christ lay down His life as a ransom for all? Yes 1 Timothy 2:6
Does God desire all people to be saved? Yes 1 Timothy 2:4
Does God choose people for salvation through faith in the truth? Yes 2 Thessalonians 2:13
Did Paul speak as to men of flesh using spiritual milk, the fundamentals of the gospel? Yes 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.
Does "through faith" require that the faith existed and was utilized to accomplish the action in view? Yes. Ephesians 2:8-9
Does John 3:16 say everyone believing rather than everyone of the elect believing? Yes

I could go on, but all Falselogy has to offer is deflection and absurdity.

 

[Silverhair]

You are simply deluded.

"But God..."

Still dodging the questions I see. You are all blow and bluster. When confronted with anything you do not like, you run. Why not deal with the questions?

Is this a true statement
"God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"... LBCF 3/1

I mean it is just a YES or NO answer.

 

[Silverhair]

He has chosen...before anyone puts their trust in Jesus
"Salvation belongs to the Lord."
Solely to the Lord, and no one else.
"But God, even while we were still dead..."

What you continue to ignore is that the Bible tells us it is solely God and no one else. You keep living in this mythology that if Calvin hadn't lived, what is observed in the Bible wouldn't have been expressed to us and by us. You keep treating Calvin as though he were a cult leader, when in fact he was an ordinary person just writing down his observation of the Bible...the whole, entire Bible. Calvin simply did a much better job than you do. It seems you are jealous of the gifts God gave him that you don't possess. Is that it? You're jealous and that's why you are obsessed with him? It pangs you to know you are terrible at hermeneutics while Calvin was astute? It seems the mystery is solved. You're jealous.

Being jealous of Calvin is the last thing I would be. Perhaps you need to reevaluate your view of that man.

"...always bear in mind, that there is no random power, or agency, or motion in the creatures, who are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed." Bk 1/ Chp 16/ Sec 3 J. Calvin’s Institutes

"Hence we maintain, that by his providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined." Bk 1/ Chp 16/ Sec 8 J. Calvin’s Institutes

"God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"... LBCF 3/1

If as Calvin and the LBCF state, God has decreed all thing to be done exactly and unchangeably as He has decreed then all the sin, violence, corruption etc. is only what God has decreed to happen. All those that reject God do so because He decreed it. Your theology has made God into a moral monster.

You are so blinded by your philosophy that you will not see the truth. So get of your high horse and trust what scripture says.

 

[KenH]

Your theology has made God into a moral monster.

Those in rebellion against God and/or ignorant of the attributes of God make such statements; those people who seek to judge God according to their weak, vile, carnal flesh. Those living according to their carnal flesh will not submit to the sovereignty of God.

Jude 1:10-11 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

And, yes, they were destined for it:

1 Peter 2:7-8 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient,
The stone which the builders disallowed,
The same is made the head of the corner,
and
A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence,
even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

(emphasis mine)

 

[AustinC]

Being jealous of Calvin is the last thing I would be. Perhaps you need to reevaluate your view of that man.

"...always bear in mind, that there is no random power, or agency, or motion in the creatures, who are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed." Bk 1/ Chp 16/ Sec 3 J. Calvin’s Institutes

"Hence we maintain, that by his providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined." Bk 1/ Chp 16/ Sec 8 J. Calvin’s Institutes

"God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass"... LBCF 3/1

If as Calvin and the LBCF state, God has decreed all thing to be done exactly and unchangeably as He has decreed then all the sin, violence, corruption etc. is only what God has decreed to happen. All those that reject God do so because He decreed it. Your theology has made God into a moral monster.

You are so blinded by your philosophy that you will not see the truth. So get of your high horse and trust what scripture says.

Yet, here you are, being jealous of Calvin and bringing him up, over and over and over again, while the rest of us provide scripture passage after scripture passage for you to consider. Invariably, you deflect away from God's Word and attack John Calvin without anyone ever invoking him. That is what you do. Your jealousy of Calvin pushes you to attack a person who is 500 years dead.

 

[Silverhair]

Those in rebellion against God and/or ignorant of the attributes of God make such statements; those people who seek to judge God according to their weak, vile, carnal flesh. Those living according to their carnal flesh will not submit to the sovereignty of God.

Jude 1:10-11 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

And, yes, they were destined for it:

1 Peter 2:7-8 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient,
The stone which the builders disallowed,
The same is made the head of the corner,
and
A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence,
even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

(emphasis mine)

I find it amazing that you never deal with the post or answer the questions? You continue to hide from the quotes.

Do you deny what Calvin and the LBCF stated or are you just going to hope no one notices the inconsistency of your theology.

Remember, under your theology those that were destined for destruction were so because God decreed it, not because of anything they did. Look at your theology with out the Calvi glasses. It is horrible. You destroy the character of God and see this as not a problem.

 

[Silverhair]

Yet, here you are, being jealous of Calvin and bringing him up, over and over and over again, while the rest of us provide scripture passage after scripture passage for you to consider. Invariably, you deflect away from God's Word and attack John Calvin without anyone ever invoking him. That is what you do. Your jealousy of Calvin pushes you to attack a person who is 500 years dead.

If you do not want Calvin brought up then why do you hold to his errant theology. You still do not answer questions that make you squirm but as usual run for cover. Come on Austin answer the questions I posted. A simple yes or no.

 

[KenH]

Do you deny what Calvin and the LBCF stated

Why should I care what Calvin or the LBCF stated? I don't subscribe to either one. I certainly don't follow Calvin as I have severe doubts about him in the controversial matter of Michael Servetus.

 

[KenH]

If you do not want Calvin brought up then why do you hold to his errant theology

Do you want other folks to throw up Arminius in your face constantly, post after post, because you hold to his false theology?

 

[KenH]

Do you deny what Calvin and the LBCF stated

Calvin supported the idea of paedo-baptism. I certainly do not. Therefore, I am not a Calvinist.

 

[Silverhair]

Do you want other folks to throw up Arminius in your face constantly, post after post, because you hold to his false theology?

Go for it. I am not an Arminian, but you can call me one if you like, although I do see that there view is more biblical. Look at your theology and try to be honest with yourself. You say God is sovereign and controls every thing but then say well not everything because He does not control mans sin. Pick a lane and stay in it.

I trust the bible but I do not trust the errant interpretation that you place on it.

 

[Silverhair]

Calvin supported the idea of paedo-baptism. I certainly do not. Therefore, I am not a Calvinist.

Then why do you keep following his ideas. You sure like to quote from those old Calvinists.