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Well let's just put it this way... our feeble mind really cannot comprehend GOD's ways... you know his ways are not our ways.... there are things that we will not understand that GOD knows. :thumbsup:

 

So you agree that we have a young earth creation, and not millions of years old correct?

 

The difference between eternity and time is one of the great mysteries our mind cannot comprehend. I heard an illustration one time that we live on a line similar to a ruler. We are all born and die at some point on the line, as are all events from the beginning to the end of time. However, God sees from above the line, and it all happens at once, kind of like us looking at a ruler laying on a table. Everything happens at once for lack of a better term.

 

What difference does it make if the earth is millions of years old? Who am I to tell God exactly when He created the earth? The age of the earth changes nothing! The bible says "God created..." and I believe that 100%. How or when, is not imporant to me.

Evolution, no matter how good a theory it seems to be, can't be true. Life has never, ever, spontaneously came from nothing. Life, in textbook biological terms, only comes from life. This is why it doesn't matter if the earth is millions or billions of years old, it doesn't matter how much time has actually passed since it was created because life didn't spring forth from nothing.

Evidence that evolution's abiogenesis theory is incorrect is held in the unchanging DNA of plants that reproduce asexually. (That means, no seeds, no fertilization). For thousands of years that we know of for sure, they haven't changed at all.

Plus, not to mention the dinosaur tracks that were found along side human tracks out there near that river in Texas. There is evidence of a biblical flood, but it's being covered up by people with a vested interest in Darwin's theory for the simple fact that they can't handle being wrong. They spend thousands of dollars and spend years of their life dedicated to studying these things, so it must be true!

Right? They think so, and in the process, when they stuble upon evidence to the contrary... They throw it out because it doesn't "fit the model". They try to explain things without the benefit of God, because they are in denial that He exists.

 

What is a "day", then? One 12 hour period of light, and one 12 hour period of dark? This is merely an observance of changes. We see that it is light in the daytime and dark at night. We observe the change, and know it to be true. But don't confuse that with how God sees time, to whom time has no effect. God created time, because God created. Changes happened, and God observed these changes... "And God saw that it was good."

Time is whatever God says it is. This is why a lot of bible passages concerning prophecy, are written in the present-tense, because God already knows for sure what is going to happen. He sees things as they are, because He sees it all!

 

So you see the Lord and His creation always existing at same 'time"?

That would make his creation eternally begotten by Him, like jesus is?

How could there be a creation point then, and why wouldn't it be almost pantheism?

 

You don't have to tell God anything. He is telling you how long it took and you need to stop calling Himsaying what He says is wrong and start to believe Him. As to what it matters claiming the bible does not mean what it says is exactly what satan does so we need to decide who we are working for.
Go here and watch these videos http://www.gerald285.com/index.php?p=1_26_Six-day-Creation and then get back with me.

 

I don't know what you are talking about.

 

One day to God "is as" a thousand years, and a thousand years "is as" one day. It really is that simple. You don't have to complicate it with the opinion of "so-called" experts, or you fall in the trap of holding the doctrine of man higher than the Word of God.

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" - John 3:10.

I'm not saying God creating the earth took millions of years, tens of thousands of years, or just a few days... I'm just saying it doesn't matter how long it actually took. To God, time is irrelevant, but it was imporant to Him to break it down to us, for our benefit. The real question, is why? Why 7 days and not 10 days, or 24 years, or two minutes?

 

Just read this very interesting (except for the completely irrelevvant comments on Cal/Arm) thread. Lots of great points, and I can think of some arguments that haven't been made (time is variable because of relativity, but God is not; "was" in John 1:1 is imperfect tense).

But this solves it for me: "And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer" (Rev. 10:6).

 

Time is relative! You said it! Time is, to God, whatever He wants it to be! It doesn't matter what we think it is, it only matters what God thinks it is. And, if Jesus IS God in the flesh as we so believe, being Christians, then we must also say that whatever God said in the OT is really just what Jesus said, too.

So, anything Jesus said in the NT, applies to the OT as well. The law can not be broken.

"All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:" - Matthew 13:34

We are the multitudes! We are the masses! Jesus was speaking to us in parables, even in the OT. This is why one day "is as" a thousand years.

 

Nice try but, JoJ, is this not simply speaking of the fact that there will no longer be a delay in the proceedings (I think they were judgements, right?).

See Barnes:

See Clarke:

See Gill:

See Vincent's Word Studies:

See Wesley's notes and JFB's commentary.

 

Webdog, is Jesus no longer human? Is he no longer incarnate? Will he cease to be incarnate and if so when or when did he?

While the marking of time was created on Day 4 and therefore has a beginning I do not believe that temporality was/is a created thing. I believe that temporality is concomitant with God's Triune existence.

Psalm 102:27 But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.
This verse describes an everlasting temporal state. God has years and will always have them and they will never come to an end.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This description, this 'fact', does not align with an atemporal view of a God to Whom duration is only a theory. It does however align nicely with a temporal view of an everlasting God who has and forevermore will experience duration, which is why the relativity expressed in the verse emphasises the insignifigance of our perception of a 'long' metered duration compared to a 'short' metered duration. But, what is inescapable is that the verse confirms the existence of duration, which is impossible in an atemporal reality. Now, one could claim that the Bible does not mean what it is saying here and claim that it is speaking anthropomorphically but really, this appeal is just popping up way too much!

 

You're good... I just expressed it poorly. I gues I was just wanting clarification and now I understand you better. Sorry and thanks.

 

I woke up at 4 am, this morning and went outside. The sky was clear as it could be, and there right in a line was the moon, Jupiter and Venus. I got out the telescope and observed them until the sun rose. The thought went through my mind, what a beautiful creation by the Lord. I cannot imagine how anyone could not think there is a God who made all of this.

Knowing there is a Creator only takes obervation and common sense. Believing the Gospel is a step beyond that because of the element of faith. An athiest has to be the stupidest person on earth.