God's knowledge debate

[preacher4truth]

You nailed it here.

Thanks bro Luke2427

The Bible isn't "simple" to understand, as some suggest. As a matter of fact Peter alludes to this himself stating the opposite (2 Peter 3:16) although that passage is declared to be something other than what it directly says, at least to those who hold the "simple" view. Why? Well, because of the "simple" fact it detroys this view.

No one worth their salt, who engages in scholarly study of Scripture, would malign the Scriptures with the word "simple." To do such is then a commentary on the state of ones theology, not upon Scriptures themselves.

Then we have the "simplicity" in a Corinthians passage, which doesn't mean "simple" as other erroneously use as a proof-text. 2 Corinthians 11:3 is used here, as in all actuality by some, (hold on to your seat Luke2427) to PROVE that studying and "over" studying corrupts us! :laugh: :thumbsup:

Sad yes?

This is not all what this means! Yet, we see the coupling together of two things: 1) Proof-text methodology, and 2) Simple Bible mentality.

This proof-text methodology/simple thing has led and kept many persons in deep error.

- Peace

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You nailed it here.

Winman doesn't consider that NNE- I mean NNE agrees with him here.

NNE agrees that mortal man can look upon the face of God and live.

But Winman's HUMONGOUS problem is that he doesn't CARE that he is the ONLY PERSON ON EARTH IN HISTORY who sees many passages the way he sees them.

He has said UNABASHEDLY that he does not NEED human help to interpret Scripture.

He has the Holy Ghost as opposed to everyone else on earth who disagrees with him.

That is enough so far as he is concerned.

And I am not being inflammatory.

He has LITERALLY SAID THIS. He has literally SAID, in no uncertain terms, that he needs NO teacher- so he doesn't need ANYONE to help him understand Scripture.

THAT'S how he comes up with this madness.

And the church is EAT UP with that kind of arrogance today. I believe that, at different levels, is more responsible than ANY OTHER FACTOR for the apostasy of our culture.

Yes good commentary on apostasy which should be both sides primary concern but not at the point of constant battle with who has the correct soteriology. Are we going to constantly attack the other guy when we should be looking to find common ground in both believing that Christ is our joint Lord & Savior, perhaps look at each as brethren, stop the infighting & post threads that are both edifying to the reader & useful to furthering Christianity.

We are all good on our understanding of the bible as the word of God & in our studies we each recognize the bible as a record of great conflict between God & Satan worked out in various ways. This conflict is at the very heart of the NT. Satan is forever attempting to ruin the work of the Almighty ..... he has ruined the 1st creation & he tries tries repeatedly to do the same with all who become Christians, because as soon as that happens we are now prime targets for the evil one. Satan is the adversary of the brethren. Are we as Gods children willing to relinquish our precious gifts because of a apparent divide & conquer tactic? Certainly not! Brethren, I sincerely hope & pray that with this knowledge provided by the HS we can do battle with the true enemy of God, not ourselves.

 

[JesusFan]

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Yes good commentary on apostasy which should be both sides primary concern but not at the point of constant battle with who has the correct soteriology. Are we going to constantly attack the other guy when we should be looking to find common ground in both believing that Christ is our joint Lord & Savior, perhaps look at each as brethren, stop the infighting & post threads that are both edifying to the reader & useful to furthering Christianity.

We are all good on our understanding of the bible as the word of God & in our studies we each recognize the bible as a record of great conflict between God & Satan worked out in various ways. This conflict is at the very heart of the NT. Satan is forever attempting to ruin the work of the Almighty ..... he has ruined the 1st creation & he tries tries repeatedly to do the same with all who become Christians, because as soon as that happens we are now prime targets for the evil one. Satan is the adversary of the brethren. Are we as Gods children willing to relinquish our precious gifts because of a apparent divide & conquer tactic? Certainly not! Brethren, I sincerely hope & pray that with this knowledge provided by the HS we can do battle with the true enemy of God, not ourselves.

A basic question that BOTH Cals/Arms have to address and answer...

Do BOTh sides see each other teaching 'true Gospel" and 'True Jesus and Cross?"

That god uses both sides of this discussion to save sins and advance His Kingdom, or is it JUST my camp no more?

How you answer THAT will determine how much bridge building can and will be done here among the bethren!

 

[Aaron]

Carnal used in theological debate as we are doing is nothing more than an ad hominem as it is used as in a sinful manner, opposite of the Spirit. You know exactly what you were trying to say...but now are trying to sprinkle it with sugar as to say "what, me attack anyone?"

"Carnal" means what the user intends for it to mean. I've told you my intent, and it happens to line up with its denotations and connotations in Scripture.

The only way you can argue is to accuse me of lying. Talk of your ad hominems!

It is apparent you have no idea what is in store for man, the earth, time, etc....so continuing this discussion with you is fruitless. We are on two polar opposite views. My view is based on Scripture, btw, not "fleshly understanding". I take Scripture at face value when it speaks of resurrection, I don't interpret into some fantasy science fiction understanding.

Actually, you take your view from the imaginations of Randy Alcorn, who can't conceive of eternal bliss unless it matches the things he likes on earth.

I take mine from the words of Christ, who said we will be like the angels in Heaven—above what man was originally created to be, and more, begotten of God. Christ is begotten (that's not about the Virgin Birth, by the way), and He has no beginning or end.

I take mine from the words of the Apostle, who said that when we see Christ, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

This is Christianity 101 and should be easy to grasp.

You'd think . . .

You never answered how there will be a half hour silence in Heaven.

Ooooh. What a stumper there. And God has wings and Christ walks about with a sword in His mouth. :type:

 

[webdog]

"Carnal" means what the user intends for it to mean. I've told you my intent, and it happens to line up with its denotations and connotations in Scripture.

The only way you can argue is to accuse me of lying. Talk of your ad hominems!

I didn't accuse you of anything. You have a track record on this board.

Actually, you take your view from the imaginations of Randy Alcorn, who can't conceive of eternal bliss unless it matches the things he likes on earth.

I take mine from the words of Christ, who said we will be like the angels in Heaven—above what man was originally created to be, and more, begotten of God. Christ is begotten (that's not about the Virgin Birth, by the way), and He has no beginning or end.

I take mine from the words of the Apostle, who said that when we see Christ, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

That's rich....you are telling me where I form my views from. My view is formed from Scripture, as is Dr. Alcorn's. He puts the challenge to refute any of his exegesis using Scripture...take him up on it.

Ooooh. What a stumper there. And God has wings and Christ walks about with a sword in His mouth.

I see...everything is allegorical This is the science fiction I speak of.