God's Plan For The Ages

All this allegory makes me wonder if there is a new brand of Koolaid--"Origenaid!"

 

Me4Him

Ref your post September 22, 2005 09:00 PM

You have presented no Scripture to show that the two witnesses were Moses and Elijah. Other Dispensationalists would claim they are Moses and Enoch or Enoch and Elijah, the latter two bacause both were translated. You will have to do better.

 

borders on pagan nonsense. </font>[/QUOTE]Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;

You have to understand what the "SYMBOLS" in scripture mean before you can understand it's meaning.

Ac 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
</font>[/QUOTE]You have written:

Are you now telling me that the Son of God shall be turned into darkness and the Church into blood? I thought that according to dispensational error the Church had been raptured out.

 

Its called Darbyaid and is something less than 200 years old.

 

OldRegular,

Correct. But the material in question is not promoting the worship of the Sun, Moon, or Stars. It is simply saying those 3 objects are prophetic "types".

If you dont agree that those 3 objects are prophetic "types" thats fine. But dont try and say the material is borderline paganism. Its not. Its nothing but a view of Gods "plan for the ages" that some will agree with and others dont.

What does the Chinese worship of dogs have to do with this?

Mike

 

Amen, Brother D28guy -- Preach it!

 

Amen, Brother Me4Him - Preach it!

I still lack some time to study all your
nifty charts detail by detail.
I've been arguing eschatology on the internet for 21 years.
I've learned a few things in that time.

98% of folks could care less about what you are doing.
maybe 1%, maybe less will support you with ideas and constructive
criticism. They will also listen to you to see if God has a
message for them He is delivering through you. Another 1% maybe will
harass you. I'm still trying to figure out who 'called' these .
I know God never did call me to harass anybody

Some signs of the harassers (each post will not display all signs):
1. quick questions that cannot be answered (if you do know the
answer, it will not be acceptable)

2. Volumes of quoted material (no original thoughts)

3. Show what i call "the 3-year-old syndrome". This syndrome
proves once again, it is easier to topple a tower of blocks
then to build one.

4. Remember that not all questions are profitable

5. they ask questions that take more of your time than theirs

6. They are always against you and never bother to agree with you.
Recall that most people will notice you have some stuff right and some
stuff wrong. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

 

Ed

If you started with something beside the false doctrine of Darby, called dispensationalism, you would be better off.

 

Amen, Brother OldRegular--preach it!

 

Can you explain your saying to those of us
who are humor impaired (HI!)?

 

They also serve who only set and mock.

Wouldn't it be a bust if God called to be
a nay-sayer

 

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it!

And happy Jewish New Year: 5766AM
Well doesn't start until sundown in Jerusalem
3 Oct 2005AD

 

Can you explain your saying to those of us
who are humor impaired (HI!)? </font>[/QUOTE]Origen of Alexandria(A.D. late 2nd -3rd cent.) was one of the biggest proponents of allegorical interpretation of Scripture in all of church history.

He believed in three senses of Scripture: "flesh," "soul," and "spirit." According to Origen, only the elect could interpret the "spirit" level which basically was the allegorical interpretation.

 

That is RIGHT-ON brother StefanM !

I think there is more than being allegorical feared about
Origen of Alexandria(A.D. late 2nd -3rd cent.)

Mat 18:8-9 (KJV1611 Edition):
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foote offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather then hauing two hands or two feete, to be cast into euerlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eie offend thee, plucke it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eie, rather then hauing two eies, to be cast into hell fire.

However, Origen did take this scripture literal:
Origen had himself surgically castrated so he wouldn't be
tempted to waste time devoted to serving God with sexual things.
For most of his life he was the New Member mentor for the
First Baptist Church of Alexandria. Back then a person was
mentored in the faith for two years before being presented
as a candidate for Baptism.

 

So you are saying that the Jews will make atonement for their own sins? Now where in Scripture does it teach that man can atone for his sins? If that be true why was it necessary that Jesus Christ, God the Son, die on a Roman cross?

[I can see it now. We will have a bunch of Jewish flagellants running around flailing themselves on the back with chains and stuff. They do that in some countries now you know. In fact I saw some Muslims doing that on TV]

Me4Him you need to be careful what you eat before bedtime!

 

Great use of types there!

On the 4th Day of creation
God created the Sun, Moon, and Stars.

On the 4th Millinnial Day of Mankind
came forth Messiah Jesus (as the sun)
the Church (as the moon) and the
children of God (as the stars).

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it!

 

Strawman:
You have presented no Scripture to show that the two witnesses
were Moses and Elijah. Other Dispensationalists would claim the
are Moses and Enoch or Enoch and Elijah, the latter two bacause
both were translated. You will have to do better.
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Me4Him:
//Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand
by the Lord of the whole earth.

//Who were the two that was "Standing by the lord" when he was "transfigured".

//Scripture is written with the "perfection of God", that's what you
have to look/dig for, a "General reading" won't reveal it's hidden secrets//

Amen, Brother ME4Him - Preach it!

But beware, if you deal with undisputable Bible facts you
must be personally attacked.

quoted: "So you are saying that the Jews will make atonement for their
own sins?"

No, nobody said anything close. Arguing by non-sequetiur is not
good debate techniques nor even nice. This question has nothing
rational or in sequence (in order) to do with the discussion.

Me4Him:
//Obviously, you haven't read all the charts and posting.

//The church is rapture before the trib begins, Jesu
has made "Atonement" for the church is "HIS FLESH",
(By his stripes) however Israel will make "ATONEMENT" with
Stripes in their "FLESH", (being killed), this is the
"Chastisement of God" for rejecting Jesus, and the
"ROD" God uses to inflict these "STRIPES" is the AC.

//Since Jesus has already made atonement for the Church,
it will "LITERALLY, PASSOVER" the trib by the rapture. //

Amen, Brother Me4Him - Preach it!

 

Sorry, wrong spot