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God's Purposes Thwarted?

Does God always get his way; not just in the END but at all times forever?

  • No. God has allowed creatures to thwart his eternal purposes but God will fix it all in the end.

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  • YOUR GOD'S A DIVINE RAPIST!!! DAHMER!!!!! SERVETUS!!!!!!

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Benjamin

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Do you think it was meant to be a joke?

Don't know, and doesn't matter. There is a much more important issue for you to think about and consider, maybe reply to, than that. Unless it was meant as a "joke", then "A" (Prov 10:23).
 
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kyredneck

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I read this today in Arthur Pink's book "The Sovereignty Of God" & thought it was good.

"How different is the God of the Bible from the God of modern Christendom! The conception of Deity which prevails most widely today, even among those who profess to give heed to the Scriptures, is a miserable caricature, a blasphemous travesty of the Truth. The God of the twentieth century is a helpless, effeminate being who commands the respect of no really thoughtful man. The God of the popular mind is the creation of maudlin sentimentality. The God of many a present-day pulpit is an object of pity rather than of awe-inspiring reverence. To say that God the Father has purposed the salvation of all mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race, and that God the Holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ; when, as a matter of common observation, it is apparent that the great majority of our fellowmen are dying in sin, and passing into a hopeless eternity; is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated. We have stated the issue baldly, but there is no escaping the conclusion. To argue that God is "trying His best" to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent. To throw the blame, as many do, upon the Devil, does not remove the difficulty, for if Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then, Satan is Almighty and God is no longer the Supreme Being."

Amen!

Pink's 'Sovereignty' was one of the most profound books that I've ever read many years ago, and Brother Pink was a profound teacher of God. I consider him to be one of the best at drawing out the types in the scriptures. If you haven't read 'Gleanings in Genesis' yet, you should make it a point to.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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Amen!

Pink's 'Sovereignty' was one of the most profound books that I've ever read many years ago, and Brother Pink was a profound teacher of God. I consider him to be one of the best at drawing out the types in the scriptures. If you haven't read 'Gleanings in Genesis' yet, you should make it a point to.

towards the end didnt he not attend services at any local assemblies cause he thought they were apostate?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Amen!

Pink's 'Sovereignty' was one of the most profound books that I've ever read many years ago, and Brother Pink was a profound teacher of God. I consider him to be one of the best at drawing out the types in the scriptures. If you haven't read 'Gleanings in Genesis' yet, you should make it a point to.

I was seriously considering reading a book by Owen as a Summer reader.....Why is Pinks Glimmer so compelling Kyred?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I read this today in Arthur Pink's book "The Sovereignty Of God" & thought it was good.

"How different is the God of the Bible from the God of modern Christendom! The conception of Deity which prevails most widely today, even among those who profess to give heed to the Scriptures, is a miserable caricature, a blasphemous travesty of the Truth. The God of the twentieth century is a helpless, effeminate being who commands the respect of no really thoughtful man. The God of the popular mind is the creation of maudlin sentimentality. The God of many a present-day pulpit is an object of pity rather than of awe-inspiring reverence. To say that God the Father has purposed the salvation of all mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race, and that God the Holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ; when, as a matter of common observation, it is apparent that the great majority of our fellowmen are dying in sin, and passing into a hopeless eternity; is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated. We have stated the issue baldly, but there is no escaping the conclusion. To argue that God is "trying His best" to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent. To throw the blame, as many do, upon the Devil, does not remove the difficulty, for if Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then, Satan is Almighty and God is no longer the Supreme Being."

Very good points brother....:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
 

Benjamin

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I read this today in Arthur Pink's book "The Sovereignty Of God" & thought it was good.

"How different is the God of the Bible from the God of modern Christendom! The conception of Deity which prevails most widely today, even among those who profess to give heed to the Scriptures, is a miserable caricature, a blasphemous travesty of the Truth. The God of the twentieth century is a helpless, effeminate being who commands the respect of no really thoughtful man. The God of the popular mind is the creation of maudlin sentimentality. The God of many a present-day pulpit is an object of pity rather than of awe-inspiring reverence. To say that God the Father has purposed the salvation of all mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race, and that God the Holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ; when, as a matter of common observation, it is apparent that the great majority of our fellowmen are dying in sin, and passing into a hopeless eternity; is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated. We have stated the issue baldly, but there is no escaping the conclusion. To argue that God is "trying His best" to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent. To throw the blame, as many do, upon the Devil, does not remove the difficulty, for if Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then, Satan is Almighty and God is no longer the Supreme Being."

Just another un-biblical rant that denies the Omnibenevolence of God and attempts to attribute evil to Him by rationalizing that otherwise He is not in control. I hear the same type of argument (probably acquired from Calvinist spewing) from atheist who object to being judged from an evil god that supposedly never gave them a chance...
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Just another un-biblical rant that denies the Omnibenevolence of God and attempts to attribute evil to Him by rationalizing that otherwise He is not in control. I hear the same type of argument (probably acquired from Calvinist spewing) from atheist who object to being judged from an evil god that supposedly never gave them a chance...

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

kyredneck

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Just another un-biblical rant that denies the Omnibenevolence of God and attempts to attribute evil to Him by rationalizing that otherwise He is not in control. I hear the same type of argument (probably acquired from Calvinist spewing) from atheist who object to being judged from an evil god that supposedly never gave them a chance...

Are you always this happy and cheerful kind of guy???...just wondrun...you sure don't make any bones about slandering a great man of God.
 

kyredneck

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....Why is Pinks Glimmer so compelling Kyred?

It's Gleanings In Genesis; it's the types, the wonderful types he brings out; the book's not that large, it's an easy and entertaining read and you'll never look at Genesis the same again and it's a fantastic foundation to have for the rest of the Bible!
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I think the guys hilarious....ever see someone so mad & burmed up he comes at you with guns blazing ....thats this guy! FUNNY!:laugh:

Lets see what he comes up next....sure to please.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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It's Gleanings In Genesis; it's the types, the wonderful types he brings out; the book's not that large, it's an easy and entertaining read and you'll never look at Genesis the same again and it's a fantastic foundation to have for the rest of the Bible!

Sold me thanks
 

kyredneck

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towards the end didnt he not attend services at any local assemblies cause he thought they were apostate?

I'm not sure, shortly before his death he dropped premillenial dispensationalism like a hot potato and started to write a book or an essay against it but died before finishing it; don't know if that's what you're referring to or not.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I'm not sure, shortly before his death he dropped premillenial dispensationalism like a hot potato and started to write a book or an essay against it but died before finishing it; don't know if that's what you're referring to or not.

I just picked up on a reference from someone that he lived in partial seclusion....I dont know ....maybe Ian Murray
 

kyredneck

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towards the end didnt he not attend services at any local assemblies cause he thought they were apostate?

I'm not sure, shortly before his death he dropped premillenial dispensationalism like a hot potato and started to write a book or an essay against it but died before finishing it; don't know if that's what you're referring to or not.

Here it is:

A Study of Dispensationalism
By Rev. Arthur W. Pink

"Arthur W. Pink wrote this series of 5 articles just before his death on July 15, 1952. They were published in Mr. Pink's Studies in the Scriptures for the June through October, 1952 (posthumously) issues. A number of contemporary dispensationalists have been republishing some of Mr. Pink's writings from his dispensational days (namely, The Redeemer's Return and The Antichrist), this is unfortunate, but as these articles show Mr. Pink's position was against the dispensational school of thought up till the very month of his death."
 

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Jonah 4
Jonah’s Anger at the LORD’s Compassion
1 But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the LORD, “Isn’t this what I said, LORD, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. 3 Now, LORD, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live.”

4 But the LORD replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”

5 Jonah had gone out and sat down at a place east of the city. There he made himself a shelter, sat in its shade and waited to see what would happen to the city. 6 Then the LORD God provided a leafy plant[The precise identification of this plant is uncertain; also in verses 7, 9 and 10.] and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort, and Jonah was very happy about the plant. 7 But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the plant so that it withered. 8 When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, “It would be better for me to die than to live.”

9 But God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?”

“It is,” he said. “And I’m so angry I wish I were dead.”

10 But the LORD said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight. 11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

I praise God every day that He shows compassion for the world through Jesus Christ and made us the messenger of it. He has compassion for the world, but it also will not thrwaft the next statement.

The plan will not be thwaft there will be amount saved that can not be counted the children of Abraham those who believed God and was credited to them as righteousness.

Romans 4
Abraham Justified by Faith
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[Gen. 15:6; also in verse 22]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[Psalm 32:1,2]

Psalm 73:28
But it is good for me to draw near to God;I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, That I may declare all Your works.

Who is angry with who's compassion?
 
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kyredneck

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I just picked up on a reference from someone that he lived in partial seclusion....I dont know ....maybe Ian Murray

from above article:

"Arthur W. Pink, born in Great Britain in 1886, immigrated to the U.S. to study at Moody Bible Institute. He pastored churches in Colorado, California, Kentucky, and South Carolina before becoming an itinerant Bible teacher in 1919. He returned to his native land in 1934., taking up residence on the Isle of Lewis, Scotland, in 1940 and remaining there until his death twelve years later. Most of his works first appeared as articles in the monthly Studies in the Scriptures, published from 1922 to 1952"
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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from above article:

"Arthur W. Pink, born in Great Britain in 1886, immigrated to the U.S. to study at Moody Bible Institute. He pastored churches in Colorado, California, Kentucky, and South Carolina before becoming an itinerant Bible teacher in 1919. He returned to his native land in 1934., taking up residence on the Isle of Lewis, Scotland, in 1940 and remaining there until his death twelve years later. Most of his works first appeared as articles in the monthly Studies in the Scriptures, published from 1922 to 1952"

Ah the Isle of Lewis! This makes sense with his soul.....Here is a splendid picture of the place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MzZgPBL3Q
 

Rippon

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A.W. Pink released his Studies In Dispensationalism in 1933 --19 years before his death.

Aside from his works such as The Sovereignty of God and other titles,a lot of his earlier writings are weaker than in the latter half of his ministry. He was too ingrained to dispensationalism in his earlier years with wrtings like the previously mentioned The Anti-Christ and The Redeemer's Return.

His book on Genesis was inferior to The Life and Times of Joshua for instance. He got better with age.

A.W.P. is a hero of mine. I respect him very much. I have learned so much from his written ministry and I will read his works till I die. (Or someone may have to read them to me.) He saturates himself in the Word of God.
 

kyredneck

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A.W. Pink released his Studies In Dispensationalism in 1933 --19 years before his death.

I'm presuming that this is not the same work ( as post #75 )

Aside from his works such as The Sovereignty of God and other titles,a lot of his earlier writings are weaker than in the latter half of his ministry. He was too ingrained to dispensationalism in his earlier years with wrtings like the previously mentioned The Anti-Christ and The Redeemer's Return.

I own several of his books, have read most of them, have referenced all of them; Elijah was a favorite of mine. Most of his works can be found here:
http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/pinks_archive.htm
 
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