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God's Purposes Thwarted?

Does God always get his way; not just in the END but at all times forever?

  • No. God has allowed creatures to thwart his eternal purposes but God will fix it all in the end.

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  • YOUR GOD'S A DIVINE RAPIST!!! DAHMER!!!!! SERVETUS!!!!!!

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Luke2427

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Have you guys noticed that only the reformed guys are voting here?

Let me tell you why- of course they will not admit it, but this is why:

They cannot admit that they believe that God's purposes are thwarted- but many of them do.

Is that not a MASSIVE difference between us? I think we should be able to work together and love each other- BUT let's face it- there view of God has God FAILING miserably concerning MOST of his purposes.

They believe God knew he would fail miserably and they believe that God is going to fix it all in the end- but this is a STRIKING, ENORMOUS difference between our view of God and there's.

It cannot be overstated.

Skandelon has not voted because he does not want the no-namers to know that he agrees with us- that EVERYTHING happens always EXACTLY as God has ALWAYS intended it to happen- inculding the bad things such as sin, unbelief and damnation of sinners.

EVERYTHING.
 
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Jon-Marc

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While I believe that God will always accomplish His will and cannot be thwarted, I do not believe that EVERYTHING that happens is His will. He allows many things to happen because of the hardness of people's hearts and to show us just how far we have gone from His will.
 

Amy.G

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Have you guys noticed that only the reformed guys are voting here?

Let me tell you why- of course they will not admit it, but this is why:......................

OR.....it could be because we are tired of your offensive threads and remarks.

But you must feel really special that you can read our hearts. :rolleyes:
 

webdog

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OR.....it could be because we are tired of your offensive threads and remarks.

But you must feel really special that you can read our hearts. :rolleyes:
...or it is because there are a lot more determinists on this board than they care to admit (or are ignorant on the matter of God's decretive and permissive wills).
 

Benjamin

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…or it is obvious to most here that the pole represents a loaded question and the author of it will childishly and rudely ignore any attempts to slit up the question and address the complexities of his hard determinist stance as he continues to use the ambiguity in the matter; thereby, he achieves his “in-your –face”/”talk to the hand” debate methods while offensively and un-biblically attributing evil and sin to a Holy God.

Luke, have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or No!

As for the others who would simply vote, well, maybe we are overrun with determinist of Luke’s stripe, maybe they are ignorant of the lack of logic in Luke’s question and/or enjoy his methods of avoiding complexities in the matter, but either way they are going along with Luke’s attempt to win a debate at all costs.

Skandelon has not voted because he does not want the no-namers to know that he agrees with us- that EVERYTHING happens always EXACTLY as God has ALWAYS intended it to happen- inculding the bad things such as sin, unbelief and damnation of sinners.

EVERYTHING.


Skandelon:

Nothing can thwart a decree of God, whether permissive or decretive, because both are based in the certainty of God's omniscience. Thus, the affirmation of God decreeing all things to come to pass mustn't be understood as meaning that evil exists "because of God's decree." Instead, we must understand which decree is meant. This is why CLARITY on this subject is so vitally important.

Too often on this BB clarity is sacrificed for the sake of winning a point or sticking it to the opponent, but to what end? Is impugning the holiness of God, even unintentionally, in the effort to win a debate justified? Can we simply be clear with our use of terms when discussing such serious matters as God's holiness? Can we all agree to refrain from saying anything that could possibly be misinterpreted as blaming God for the sin and evil in this world?

Is that really too much to ask? Is that even a dividing point between Calvinistic and non-Calvinistis Baptists? I don't think so. I think is should be something on which we all agree, if we put down our axes and reason together as brethren.


Apparently it was too much to ask and this tread was created as a trolling device to continue presenting an argument with an unconscionable ambiguous statement within it.
 

Luke2427

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While I believe that God will always accomplish His will and cannot be thwarted, I do not believe that EVERYTHING that happens is His will.


That statement is self-contradictory.

Either something happens according to his purposes or it happens OUTSIDE of his purpose.

You cannot sensibly say- God always accomplishes his purposes but most things happen AGAINST his purposes until the end.

He allows many things to happen because of the hardness of people's hearts and to show us just how far we have gone from His will.

If he allows them- he intended for them to exist- therefore he PURPOSED them.
 

Luke2427

Active Member
OR.....it could be because we are tired of your offensive threads and remarks.

But you must feel really special that you can read our hearts. :rolleyes:

No. I don't think so.

I think you are out of arguments and so you are deflecting like you do in this post.

You cannot vote on this thread without revealing something about yourself that you don't want revealed- namely- that you do not believe that God accomplishes all his purposes ALL OF THE TIME- which means that God is not truly Sovereign.
 

Benjamin

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You cannot sensibly say- God always accomplishes his purposes but most things happen AGAINST his purposes until the end.



If he allows them- he intended for them to exist- therefore he PURPOSED them.

You can not sensibly make such an argument if it is designed to leave ambiguity in the matter of the origiin of evil and and appears to attribute it to God.
 

Benjamin

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I think you are out of arguments and so you are deflecting like you do in this post.

You cannot vote on this thread without revealing something about yourself that you don't want revealed- namely- that you do not believe that God accomplishes all his purposes ALL OF THE TIME- which means that God is not truly Sovereign.

I think you are out of arguments and so deflect by demanding people should vote on your loaded question tread.
 

Luke2427

Active Member
I think you are out of arguments and so deflect by demanding people should vote on your loaded question tread.

What does anything you have said on this thread heretofore have to do with the subject matter of this thread?

Do you wish to share an opinion or are you trolling?
 

Amy.G

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No. I don't think so.

I think you are out of arguments and so you are deflecting like you do in this post.

You cannot vote on this thread without revealing something about yourself that you don't want revealed- namely- that you do not believe that God accomplishes all his purposes ALL OF THE TIME- which means that God is not truly Sovereign.

I CAN vote on this thread but I CHOOSE not to.

Or maybe I was predestined not to. What do you think? Pick one. :laugh:
 
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