God's Wisdom versus Earthly, Sensual, and Demonic Wisdom about Instrumental Music

[Scripture More Accurately]

That's a good one to link to. My posts there pretty much highlight the errors you're making in this thread as well.

As I have said before, I strongly disagree with many of your views concerning the Bible, how to interpret it correctly, and what it teaches about music that is acceptable to God.

 

[Charlie24]

It's crazy to some folks and makes no sense.

It's like a pool table, not one thing wrong with having a pool table in your home or playing pool.

But having one in the Church fellowship building is out of the question in our Church.

It's associated with bars and drinking and the things of the world and is not appropriate on the grounds of the public Church.

The same with drums in fellowship, it's the association with the music of the world that our Church rejects and will not let it in.

We draw a clear line in separating from all appearance of the worldly things, as silly as it may sound to some.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

It's crazy to some folks and makes no sense.

It's like a pool table, not one thing wrong with having a pool table in your home or playing pool.

But having one in the Church fellowship building is out of the question in our Church.

It's associated with bars and drinking and the things of the world and is not appropriate on the grounds of the public Church.

The same with drums in fellowship, it's the association with the music of the world that our Church rejects and will not let it in.

We draw a clear line in separating from all appearance of the worldly things, as silly as it may sound to some.

The world's wisdom is not God's wisdom---it is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom.

God commands us not to walk in the counsel of the ungodly (Ps. 1:1); because their counsel is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, we must not walk in their counsel about instrumental music.

God commands us not to be conformed to the world (Rom. 12:1); because their wisdom is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, we must not be conformed to the world concerning instrumental music.

We must heed God's wisdom concerning percussion instruments and their proper uses, and we must categorically reject earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom concerning percussion instruments and their uses.

 

[Charlie24]

The world's wisdom is not God's wisdom---it is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom.

God commands us not to walk in the counsel of the ungodly (Ps. 1:1); because their counsel is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, we must not walk in their counsel about instrumental music.

God command us not to be conformed to the world (Rom. 12:1); because their wisdom is earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom, we must not be conformed to the world concerning instrumental music.

Amen Brother, we are 2 peas of the same pod!

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Amen Brother, we are 2 peas of the same pod!

Thanks.

I am not sure that we are exactly the same in our views because my church does use percussion instruments in our services, but we use them sparingly, and we never use instrumental music that is rhythmically dominant, poundingly percussive music that has been copied from evil people who have used such kinds of percussive music to seek contact with evil spirits.

 

[Charlie24]

Thanks.

I am not sure that we are exactly the same in our views because my church does use percussion instruments in our services, but we use them sparingly, and we never use instrumental music that is rhythmically dominant, poundingly percussive music that has been copied from evil people who have used such kinds of percussive music to seek contact with evil spirits.

We may be a little more strict in not allowing the percussion sound in, but we are definately of the same old school.

I like to call in walking in the "old paths" a distinct separation from the appearance of the things in this world.

 

[Charlie24]

We may be a little more strict in not allowing the percussion sound in, but we are definately of the same old school.

I like to call in walking in the "old paths" a distinct separation from the appearance of the things in this world.

I haven't been to Church in a couple of months with this occasional head spinning from vertigo, that can come on me at anytime.

I can't drive and several from the Church have offered to come by take me, but If I have a hard hit of the vertigo it makes me sick on the stomach and I have lay down. That would be a mess if it happened in Church.

So I'm kinda confined here at home, but hopefully not much longer.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

I haven't been to Church in a couple of months with this occasional head spinning from vertigo, that can come on me at anytime.

I can't drive and several from the Church have offered to come by take me, but If I have a hard hit of the vertigo it makes me sick on the stomach and I have lay down. That would be a mess if it happened in Church.

So I'm kinda confined here at home, but hopefully not much longer.

Sorry to hear of this problem. May God grant you full and speedy healing from it.

 

[Charlie24]

Sorry to hear of this problem. May God grant you full and speedy healing from it.

Thank you, Brother!

 

[Aaron]

As I have said before, I strongly disagree with many of your views concerning the Bible, how to interpret it correctly, and what it teaches about music that is acceptable to God.

Well, duh.

But I have better reasoning, scripture, and evidence.

 

[Ben1445]

It's crazy to some folks and makes no sense.

It's like a pool table, not one thing wrong with having a pool table in your home or playing pool.

But having one in the Church fellowship building is out of the question in our Church.

It's associated with bars and drinking and the things of the world and is not appropriate on the grounds of the public Church.

The same with drums in fellowship, it's the association with the music of the world that our Church rejects and will not let it in.

We draw a clear line in separating from all appearance of the worldly things, as silly as it may sound to some.

Simultaneously, to say that these things are allowed at home but not at church can foster the idea that we have a different standard in our homes.
When it is understood why we do certain things that is helpful, but there doesn’t seem to be a thorough way of communicating this to an entire church when you have new members coming in.

It can end up just looking like double standards. I’m not saying drop the standard. Just that it blurs the line of what the standard is for unless someone is willing to figure out why it is there.

The real problem happens when you bring it up. If someone wants to add a billiard table to the church, it has been brought up honestly. But to just go around collecting a list of things that you would not put in a church is over the top. It’s just asking for trouble.
And if you don’t want a pool table, it is easy enough to refuse it on the basis of losing the space for other activities. There doesn’t have to be a moral aspect involved in it at all.
Not being part of your church, I don’t know what exactly is the situation. I’m just speaking generally. This is an area where no situation is the same and will not be the same.

 

[Charlie24]

Simultaneously, to say that these things are allowed at home but not at church can foster the idea that we have a different standard in our homes.
When it is understood why we do certain things that is helpful, but there doesn’t seem to be a thorough way of communicating this to an entire church when you have new members coming in.

It can end up just looking like double standards. I’m not saying drop the standard. Just that it blurs the line of what the standard is for unless someone is willing to figure out why it is there.

The real problem happens when you bring it up. If someone wants to add a billiard table to the church, it has been brought up honestly. But to just go around collecting a list of things that you would not put in a church is over the top. It’s just asking for trouble.
And if you don’t want a pool table, it is easy enough to refuse it on the basis of losing the space for other activities. There doesn’t have to be a moral aspect involved in it at all.
Not being part of your church, I don’t know what exactly is the situation. I’m just speaking generally. This is an area where no situation is the same and will not be the same.

You make some good points, and my Church is not for everyone. I particularly like it because it draws a line and makes the house of God a place separated and different than anything else in your life.

I see it as bringing an order and respect the the Lord, where people meet to honor the Lord.

But it's not do this and do that as in orders and regulations, it's sound Biblical preaching that convicts the heart and brings a reverence to the Lord.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

But I have better reasoning, scripture, and evidence.

Not at all. Without any biblical warrant, you hold that instrumental music is only a human and an earthly activity. Scripture plainly teaches otherwise and does so explicitly.

You also hold that the Christ's work has done away with the use of musical instruments in divine worship, which is something the Bible does not teach.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Exod. 19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

The Holy Spirit is emphatic in this account that there were no humans allowed to be on the mount, and yet there would be a long sounding of a trumpet (Exod. 19:13).

In that setting, the Spirit repeatedly and explicitly speaks concerning the sounding of a trumpet on this occasion and attests that such a sounding of the trumpet took place (Exod. 19:16, 19; 20:18):

Exod. 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

Exod. 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

Exod. 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

These verses plainly teach us that instrumental music is not just a human activity---no humans were allowed on the mount; therefore, the trumpet that was sounded on this occasion was sounded by a supernatural, non-human being.

Those who teach that making instrumental music is only a human activity do not teach what is true according to Scripture.