Gog and Magog Are Beginning to.....

[FriendofSpurgeon]

But things like "The one world government is beginning to hatch" could have applied to Roman Empire, the Holy Empire, the Congress of Vienna, The League of Nations, etc etc.

When we say things like "Gog and Magog refer to Russia and Iran and they have never before come together," are we not saying that imminence was not possible until now?

These kind of eschatology is guesswork since the Bible never defines Gog and Magog as Russia and Iran. Back in the 70s everyone was sure that the referred to a new union between Russia and Germany.

We don't need sensationalism to look for His return.

I was thinking the same thing. Didn't I hear all this back in the 1970's???

 

[just-want-peace]

I was thinking the same thing. Didn't I hear all this back in the 1970's???

Perhaps you hit the key here!

When I say prophecy is being fulfilled "today", 30+ years means zilch.

I do not think in such minute time-frames when considering His return.

It's just that current events are demonstrating some of the social parameters that He predicted will exist as His return approaches.

In other words, I'm just "discerning the signs of the times", not predicting.:BangHead:

I don't want to emulate Sgt Shultz by "--hear nothing, see nothing, know nothing--"!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

It's just that current events are demonstrating some of the social parameters that He predicted will exist as His return approaches.

Agreed, as they have since the 2nd century.

 

[righteousdude2]

Hey - You May be Right...

Brother Paul,

I have to disagree with you on one point here. No born again believer, who is waiting and watchful, is going to "miss the final trumpet call, and the beauty of being caught up in the sky..." regardless of whether or not they are into trying to figure out end-times prophecy.

While I understand your concern, I'm thinking of the wide road to hell, versus the narrow path to Glory. So, while you may be right, I have serious questions and concerns about a lot folks that are walking a very thin line, when it comes to getting into heaven.

I know way too many folks that go to church and call themselves Christians and confess that they are born again, but their walk does not reflect a heart changed by grace and covered by the blood of Jesus. This is why I wrote that they needed to keep their eye on the eastern sky. I believe there will be a tremendous amount of folks that could be left behind because their heart was not right.

If one lives their life with one eye fixed on the Eastern sky [my terminology for being focused on Jesus in all we do, at all times], they should have no trouble at the time of the rapture.

There is a large number of folks claiming to be re-born, but living in sin [fornicating, adultery, etc.]. These folks may or may not go when the Lord returns to harvest the crop. When He comes to separate the wheat from the tares. When He comes to take His followers, there will be many that have fallen away from their initial calling, so, yes there will be those who will be left behind.

I'm quite sure, that when I was living in sexual sin, had the Lord returned, I would have been left behind, and would have had to work out my salvation through losing my life, physically, by confessing Jesus over the anti-Christ, and face beheading.

I may be flawed in my thinking, but, I believe that those who follow the Lord will have to be "sold out to Jesus" in every sense of the Word. He told the prostitute to "go, and sin NO MORE." I believe the believe is expected to be Holy, and to grow in that holiness through becoming more like Christ, and less like their old person.

Love you Bible Boy, and love you Tiny Tim. I'm not trying to cause a ripple in the lake, but, I believe there are truly those who will be looking with hope, yet left behind.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

 

[Bible-boy]

While I understand your concern, I'm thinking of the wide road to hell, versus the narrow path to Glory. So, while you may be right, I have serious questions and concerns about a lot folks that are walking a very thin line, when it comes to getting into heaven.

I know way too many folks that go to church and call themselves Christians and confess that they are born again, but their walk does not reflect a heart changed by grace and covered by the blood of Jesus. This is why I wrote that they needed to keep their eye on the eastern sky. I believe there will be a tremendous amount of folks that could be left behind because their heart was not right.

If one lives their life with one eye fixed on the Eastern sky [my terminology for being focused on Jesus in all we do, at all times], they should have no trouble at the time of the rapture.

There is a large number of folks claiming to be re-born, but living in sin [fornicating, adultery, etc.]. These folks may or may not go when the Lord returns to harvest the crop. When He comes to separate the wheat from the tares. When He comes to take His followers, there will be many that have fallen away from their initial calling, so, yes there will be those who will be left behind.

I'm quite sure, that when I was living in sexual sin, had the Lord returned, I would have been left behind, and would have had to work out my salvation through losing my life, physically, by confessing Jesus over the anti-Christ, and face beheading.

I may be flawed in my thinking, but, I believe that those who follow the Lord will have to be "sold out to Jesus" in every sense of the Word. He told the prostitute to "go, and sin NO MORE." I believe the believe is expected to be Holy, and to grow in that holiness through becoming more like Christ, and less like their old person.

Love you Bible Boy, and love you Tiny Tim. I'm not trying to cause a ripple in the lake, but, I believe there are truly those who will be looking with hope, yet left behind.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

All I can say is that we need to be busy preaching the gospel and making disciples who will in turn preach the gospel and make disciples and so on and so on.... All the generations of Christians from the time of Christ's ascention until today have been living in the last days. The focus is not to be on wars and rumors of wars etc., it is to be on preaching the gospel and making disciples. While I say "Come quickly Lord" I also pray that he will wait just one more day because I still have family members who are lost.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Consider that Ezekiel 38 and 39 are two different invasions of Yisrael.

Ezekiel 38 has a coalition of Nations; Ezekiel 39 has no nations (Nations of the Earth become Christ's at the Second Coming) - the

BTW, Gog & Magog are one country (Gog) in the North (of Yisrael) and the chief Prince of God (Magog).