going to church 3 times a week

[Rufus_1611]

Isn't every day supposed to be dedicated to the Lord? We are NOT under the obligation of the sabbath (which is Saturday, btw)

Or do you mean in spite of our self righteousness?

If there is scriptural proof...supply it, and I don't want to see any sabbath Scriptures either, as this is not what it is about.

Hmmm no Sabbath scriptures...May I give you this one?

"Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;" - Ephesians 6:2​

I would counter it was not God's will to lose his job, period. Any testimony he had at his job was blown by his actions. His employer was working with him all along...to meet his requirements, btw. He took the job knowing Sundays would be required. He was getting good benefits which were needed as my mother has a heart condition, diabetes, neouropathy and a host of other ailments. To throw all of that away, and not be able to support my mother is NOT God's will, especially when there is no command to not work on Sundays!

 

[tinytim]

Do you believe that God loves you more than others if you do what is right?
Do you believe God loves you less if you do what is wrong?

That is legalism. Trying to gain God's favor by doing right...
Which is the opposite of Grace.... the unmerited favor of God.

As Baptists we teach grace. Our righteousness are as filthy rags.
If you are going to church to win Gods favor, then your church attendance means nothing to you, God's grace means nothing to you, you have become like the Galations did, and have fallen from God's grace into a cess pool of legalism....
Which may explain why it is easy to look down on others that do not measure up to your standards....

But if you are going to church to focus on God, to praise Him for His grace, it takes your righteousness out of the picture..

Actually when you truly worship God, you will see what at worm you are..
(I mean that in a nice way) We are all worms, undeserving of even knowing there is a God, let alone have a relationship with him.

But it is so easy to watch the actions of others and measure our actions by theirs instead of God's....That is the only way our pride can be appeased... for we will never be as good as God... but we can certainly be better than our brother that misses Wednesday, that good for nothing, worldly Christian, that wants to provide for his family... (said with tongue in cheek)

You get my point...

 

[webdog]

You think the Sabbath is on Sundays, Rufus?!?! Wow.

I don't appreciate you insinuating I don't honor my father either. You can disagree with a decision your father makes, even calling him out on it without dishonoring him. You are out of line.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Do you believe that God loves you more than others if you do what is right?
Do you believe God loves you less if you do what is wrong?

That is legalism. Trying to gain God's favor by doing right...
Which is the opposite of Grace.... the unmerited favor of God.

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

 

[tinytim]

This reminds me of a situation our church discussed last week in Bible study...
It was about believing the Bible over your dearly departed loved ones...
someone said that the dead saints in our cemetary were always right...
I pointed out it was impossible to be always right...

unless you are tinytim.... uh, huh, can I get an amen...lol

OK... silence....
hmnmmmm

anyway, I said that I loved my grandmother but she was dead wrong. She believed that you had to be baptized to be saved... now is disagreeing with her dishonoring her.... no.

She still knew i loved her. But the Bible comes first.
It is possible to disagree with your parents... without dishonoring them.

 

[tinytim]

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

That's your answer?
Just throw grace out the door, and embrace your own righteousness...
What about Eph 2:8-9?


God loves me no more than he does anyone else....and he loves me no less.... His love for me is based in what Christ did. He loves me as much as He loves Christ, because I am IN Christ, Christ is IN me, and we are IN God's hand... John 10.

No one can pluck me out of God's hand... Nothing can seperate me from the love of God... Rom. 8
Are you saying there are different degrees of God's love?
If so, then what degree is Christ in... Because that is where I am, surrounded by Christ's righteousness, not mine...

I layed down my life, and took up His....I died out to Christ, and became alive in Him.

I am in Christ... so the love God has for me, is based in Christ.

You cannot make God love you more.
You cannot do anything to make Him love you less.
When Christ said, "it is finished" The love God has for me was signed, sealed, and when I got saved, it was delivered to me via the vehicle of Faith....

And it is called GRACE.

 

[James_Newman]

Do you believe that God loves you more than others if you do what is right?
Do you believe God loves you less if you do what is wrong?

That is legalism. Trying to gain God's favor by doing right...
Which is the opposite of Grace.... the unmerited favor of God.

Yes and no.

As Baptists we teach grace. Our righteousness are as filthy rags.
If you are going to church to win Gods favor, then your church attendance means nothing to you, God's grace means nothing to you, you have become like the Galations did, and have fallen from God's grace into a cess pool of legalism....
Which may explain why it is easy to look down on others that do not measure up to your standards....

But if you are going to church to focus on God, to praise Him for His grace, it takes your righteousness out of the picture..

Actually when you truly worship God, you will see what at worm you are..
(I mean that in a nice way) We are all worms, undeserving of even knowing there is a God, let alone have a relationship with him.

But it is so easy to watch the actions of others and measure our actions by theirs instead of God's....That is the only way our pride can be appeased... for we will never be as good as God... but we can certainly be better than our brother that misses Wednesday, that good for nothing, worldly Christian, that wants to provide for his family... (said with tongue in cheek)

You get my point...

Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

What is dilligent about shrugging shoulders and sighing 'oh well, God knows my heart'? This is nothing to do with being better than your brother, this is about being what God wants you to be. God has a different set of priorities than man does. Providing for your family is good and right, but making that provision the most important thing is wrong.

Proverbs 15:16-17
16 Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.
17 Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

Providing physical needs while neglecting spiritual needs is just as much a sin as neglecting the physical.

 

[James_Newman]

That's your answer?
Just throw grace out the door, and embrace your own righteousness...
What about Eph 2:8-9?


God loves me no more than he does anyone else....and he loves me no less.... His love for me is based in what Christ did. He loves me as much as He loves Christ, because I am IN Christ, Christ is IN me, and we are IN God's hand... John 10.

No one can pluck me out of God's hand... Nothing can seperate me from the love of God... Rom. 8
Are you saying there are different degrees of God's love?
If so, then what degree is Christ in... Because that is where I am, surrounded by Christ's righteousness, not mine...

I layed down my life, and took up His....I died out to Christ, and became alive in Him.

I am in Christ... so the love God has for me, is based in Christ.

You cannot make God love you more.
You cannot do anything to make Him love you less.
When Christ said, "it is finished" The love God has for me was signed, sealed, and when I got saved, it was delivered to me via the vehicle of Faith....

And it is called GRACE.

And now that that is settled, there is still a race to be run and a prize to be won.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

When one chooses to work on a day the Body of Believer meets, one is essentially saying, 'God, I know you said in your Word that you are my provider and that you will not see your seed begging bread. Lord, I know that you said you care for me more than the sparrows and the foxes. Lord, I know you said you that you would supply all my need according to your riches in Glory by your Son Christ Jesus. But Lord, I can't really exercise faith in that area to see my needs met. I doubt that if I lose my job because I went to Church instead that you will open doors for a new job that me and my family will have their needs met.'

Essentially, you are not placing your trust in a God who cares for His Children.

Same with family outings. You are placing your faith more in family than God. Your fear that 'if I don't do this for my family, they will reject me.'

It all boils down to a fear of rejection. Do you fear being rejected by the world more than you fear rejected by God? Peter wrote that we are to obey God rather than man. Obey God. Go to Church all the more as His Word commands.

 

[Rufus_1611]

You think the Sabbath is on Sundays, Rufus?!?! Wow.

No I don't webdog. I believe Sunday is the Lord's Day and Christians should assemble at a minimum on that day.

I don't appreciate you insinuating I don't honor my father either. You can disagree with a decision your father makes, even calling him out on it without dishonoring him. You are out of line.

You are on a public message board bashing your father absent of his presence. You have daddy issues to address, not day of worship issues. If you believe him to be an infidel, take it up with him and keep it in the family...that would be honoring him.

 

[Servent]

OK I have been thinking alot about this since yesterday so here goes, In my job I drive a lot from place to place,when I do I listen to tapes form different preachers, at lunch on my computer I have audio bible on line and I listen to the scripture being read,I attend church 3 times a week, on wed. night I work with youth,if there is a special I go ,I have told my boss that I don't work on Sunday or Wed. night unless it is an emergency. So does this make me any better than anyone else on this board, NO! I will be judged the same as ever one else, You see I don't want to miss one thing the Lord has for me I Love Him with all my heart all my soul and all my mind and Its all because of what He has done for me,He didn't just shed His blood He was beaten and wiped because of my sin, when I gave my life to Him I gave it all to Him to allow Him to do whit it as He sees fit, you do what you will, as for me and my house we WILL serve The Lord.

Danny Cook
Houston Texas

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

I layed down my life, and took up His....I died out to Christ, and became alive in Him.

Have you truly laid down your life? Are you willing to forsake all and follow Christ? Doesn't forsake all include turning your back on worldly events, even your job to be in His House, amongst the Body whenever the opportunity to meet is there?

The Word of God says that 'every joint supplieth'. How can we supply when we are not even in the midst?

You say you 'cannot do anything to make Him love me less'. Well apparently that is not exactly true. Many will stand before God who have done for Him many things and yet still be rejected.

Many who say they are 'in Christ' think my profession of faith placed me 'in Christ', now I can do whatever I want. The Word of God tells us we have to die to self. Not satisfy our fleshly wants. Not let flesh rule. 'Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus'. A servant's mind. Wanting to do the will of the Father, rather than the will of the flesh.

'Not my will, but Thine be done'.

I can't see it God will for man to go to a birthday party or a ball game rather than seeking after the things of God.

 

[rbell]

When one chooses to work on a day the Body of Believer meets, one is essentially saying, 'God, I know you said in your Word that you are my provider and that you will not see your seed begging bread. Lord, I know that you said you care for me more than the sparrows and the foxes. Lord, I know you said you that you would supply all my need according to your riches in Glory by your Son Christ Jesus. But Lord, I can't really exercise faith in that area to see my needs met. I doubt that if I lose my job because I went to Church instead that you will open doors for a new job that me and my family will have their needs met.'

Essentially, you are not placing your trust in a God who cares for His Children.

Too broad a statement. There are many who have to work on Sundays and/or Wednesdays. They fulfill a necessity in society.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Providing more excuses why man should lean to his own understanding and not obey God's Word to assemble?

 

[Rufus_1611]

Too broad a statement. There are many who have to work on Sundays and/or Wednesdays. They fulfill a necessity in society.

"Sorry God. I had to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Societies' needs trumped your command, the needs of the church and my need to be reproved, rebuked, exhorted and edified. Oh and I knew that the end of all things was at hand and I should've been meeting more than just once a week but you know...I had to heed the call of society."

 

[rbell]

"Sorry God. I had to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Societies' needs trumped your command, the needs of the church and my need to be reproved, rebuked, exhorted and edified. Oh and I knew that the end of all things was at hand and I should've been meeting more than just once a week but you know...I had to heed the call of society."

Hope you never get sick on Sunday, friend.

I'm not talking food vendors at the ballpark.

I'm talking about nurses that take care of your sick mom, wife, daughter, and the like.

Any more condemnation?

 

[James_Newman]

Are there not enough unbelievers that the world would grind to a halt on Sunday? That's what the SDA's are for.

 

[annsni]

Hmm - if no believers worked on Sunday, then our church would not be opened. We have no less than 16 employees being paid to work on Sunday at church. The pastors, the custodian, the deaf ministry interpreter, the woman at the Welcome Center, the sound man, the computer tech (ME!), the worship leader and the associate to the children's ministry. I guess we're all in the wrong! We shouldn't be working! :laugh: I think I'll tell my boss that I can no longer work on Sunday - people will just have to memorize the words - maybe we can print out a sermon so that the pastors won't have to be there either!

 

[Rufus_1611]

Hmm - if no believers worked on Sunday, then our church would not be opened. We have no less than 16 employees being paid to work on Sunday at church. The pastors, the custodian, the deaf ministry interpreter, the woman at the Welcome Center, the sound man, the computer tech (ME!), the worship leader and the associate to the children's ministry. I guess we're all in the wrong! We shouldn't be working! :laugh: I think I'll tell my boss that I can no longer work on Sunday - people will just have to memorize the words - maybe we can print out a sermon so that the pastors won't have to be there either!

Once upon a those things were considered being in service to the Lord, now I guess folks are just working a job.

 

[James_Newman]

It really comes down to God's economy, whats better? God said remember the sabbath to keep it holy. But some things were better.

Matthew 12:11-12
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

So healing on the sabbath? Better!

Numbers 15:32-35
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Picking up sticks? Ouch, Not better.