HisWordIsTruth
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Jesus called Peter Satan himself...and you want to say he was saved?
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standingfirminChrist
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Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Matthew 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Judas' repentance was not a godly repentance. He did not confess his sins to God, he confessed to man.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We are to confess to God, not man. Man cannot remove our sins. Judas' repentance was not a godly repentance, but worldly.
Matthew 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Judas' repentance was not a godly repentance. He did not confess his sins to God, he confessed to man.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We are to confess to God, not man. Man cannot remove our sins. Judas' repentance was not a godly repentance, but worldly.
HisWordIsTruth
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And yet that is EXACTLY what Scripture says.
Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
There it is again. And yet again we have standingfirm's words and Scripture at odds.
HisWordIsTruth
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Well "you" keep saying that, but your are light on the Scripture.
Another assumption. Not a good thing to do.
standingfirminChrist
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Your doctrines are based on many assumptions, HWIT.
Not a good thing to do.
Not a good thing to do.
HisWordIsTruth
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Actually it does. God told us so it MUST matter.
standingfirminChrist
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Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,... and went out and hanged himself.
And we know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
And we know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
HisWordIsTruth
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Are you a moonlight comedian standingfirm, because that had me rolling. I have provided Scripture for every belief that I have espoused and the Scripture that I have given backed up exactly what I have stated.
Can't same the same for you, because I ask and you give me none, well except more texts that are speaking of something totally unrelated to what you are talking about
.standingfirminChrist
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HisWordIsTruth said:
Jesus preached belief, repentance, and confessing... so it MUST matter.
Wow---you are really twisting Scripture here. Jesus NEVER called Peter Satan, NEVER. When Jesus said "Get thee behind me Satan, He was rebuking the spirit behind Peter's statement, NOT Peter himself. Remember, Peter had just confessed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. What you just said, HWIT, is ludicrous and a terrible twisting of the Word of God.HisWordIsTruth said:
HisWordIsTruth
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Absolutely standingfirm. I have never said otherwise! Of course it matters. It matters a great deal. But we must understand it as it was given, not as we want it to be. There is a GREAT deal of difference there.
HisWordIsTruth
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Linda I don't know what to make of your statements here. You say this and then you post the actual text where Jesus DOES IN FACT call Peter Satan.
He SAID get thee behind me SATAN, referencing PETER!
Come on now. He was rebuking the spirit but not the person
. You seriously would have us make that leap? My goodness. And "I'm" twisting Scripture.You folks keep getting more comical and out there with every post. I'm suprised you folks haven't been banned for the BB. You deny the Words of Scripture around every turn. Surely that has to be a BB rule in there somewhere
.standingfirminChrist
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I got this in my email today from Way of Life:
REPENTANCE IS NOT MERE REMORSE FOR WRONG ACTIONS
The Bible tells us that men can be remorseful
about their actions without exercising genuine
repentance unto salvation. This is described as
the "sorrow of the world" in 2 Cor. 7:10. There
are key examples of this in the Old and the New
Testaments. King Saul is the prime Old Testament
example. He was sorry that he got caught in
various sinful acts, but he did not demonstrate
repentance because his actions did not change (1
Sam. 15:24; 24:17; 26:21). Judas is the fearful
New Testament example of a man who was remorseful
but did not repent toward God (Matt. 27:3-4).
Like reformation, remorse is man-centered rather
than God-centered. Those who repent change their
mind about their relationship with God and this
results in a change in the way they live. Judas
regretted his actions, but he did not turn to God.
REPENTANCE IS NOT MERE REMORSE FOR WRONG ACTIONS
The Bible tells us that men can be remorseful
about their actions without exercising genuine
repentance unto salvation. This is described as
the "sorrow of the world" in 2 Cor. 7:10. There
are key examples of this in the Old and the New
Testaments. King Saul is the prime Old Testament
example. He was sorry that he got caught in
various sinful acts, but he did not demonstrate
repentance because his actions did not change (1
Sam. 15:24; 24:17; 26:21). Judas is the fearful
New Testament example of a man who was remorseful
but did not repent toward God (Matt. 27:3-4).
Like reformation, remorse is man-centered rather
than God-centered. Those who repent change their
mind about their relationship with God and this
results in a change in the way they live. Judas
regretted his actions, but he did not turn to God.
HisWordIsTruth
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Linda I owe you an apology. I mis-spoke. I said you quoted the text, but you really "didn't." You only quoted a "portion" of the text. Wonder why that is? Let's see:
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Oh yeah, because when we look at what it SAYS it refutes what "Linda" says.
Jesus SAID UNTO PETER. PETER WAS AN OFFENCE. PETER was savoruing the things of men not of God. It was PETER that was the topic of conversation there.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Oh yeah, because when we look at what it SAYS it refutes what "Linda" says.
Jesus SAID UNTO PETER. PETER WAS AN OFFENCE. PETER was savoruing the things of men not of God. It was PETER that was the topic of conversation there.
HisWordIsTruth
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Well here is the actual text.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Where does that say Judas is headed southward for eternity? I don't see it.
HisWordIsTruth
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So now you want to make the assumption (mental gymnastic) that because the word "lost" is used that this somehow means Judas is headed for the everlasting flames?
Really? Where does Scripture make this connection for us between the "lost" and the headed for the really hot place?
I thought if something was "lost" that it had to be in the possession first. How do you lose something that is not yours? Can you explain that to me?
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