Grieved over today's events in Charlottesville

[Reynolds]

Really? So holding people in slavery isn't tyranny? And that's the rabbit hole some folks want to go down.

Slavery was common practice in most of the world at that time. I honestly don't give a rip, flip, or tater chip about slavery. What concerns me is your Yankee government butchering my people, stealing our land, and driving us onto reservations where we are still oppressed.

 

[TCassidy]

If I have to choose between Use of Time and Reynolds regarding military strategy, I will have to chose Use of Time.

VMI (Virginia Military Institute - the West Point of the South) probably provides better training in military strategy than your average college.

 

[Reynolds]

If I have to choose between Use of Time and Reynolds regarding military strategy, I will have to chose Use of Time.

VMI (Virginia Military Institute - the West Point of the South) probably provides better training in military strategy than your average college.

If I have to choose between Use of Time and Reynolds regarding military strategy, I will have to chose Use of Time.

VMI (Virginia Military Institute - the West Point of the South) probably provides better training in military strategy than your average college.

It does not take a military genius to see that continuing to appease fat boy is a road to ruin.

 

[carpro]

Funny how quickly Trump denounced the violence by right wing extremists and Obama excused the violence of black lives matter and left wing anarchists


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[carpro]

And what did the idiot city council think would happen when they decided to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee? He is part of our history. Time to own it!

Democrats are the new American version of the taliban.

Rid the country of any evidence of history they don't like.


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[TCassidy]

rsr, by the same token, the poor whites in the north were drafted while the plutocrat's kids bought their way out of military service while their parents profited in the industrial north by means of their majority in Congress which allowed them to prevent the south from free enterprise and so lined their pockets on the backs of not only the poor white's of the north, but also the poor white's and black's of the south.

The war was not as simple as many people seem to think.

 

[Use of Time]

Slavery was common practice in most of the world at that time. I honestly don't give a rip, flip, or tater chip about slavery. What concerns me is your Yankee government butchering my people, stealing our land, and driving us onto reservations where we are still oppressed.

If I have to choose between Use of Time and Reynolds regarding military strategy, I will have to chose Use of Time.

VMI (Virginia Military Institute - the West Point of the South) probably provides better training in military strategy than your average college.

Thanks Tom. I have no problem with the history of the civil war being taught but I have a problem with those clinging to ancient history (like Reynolds) in a way that causes them to drive a car into people and spout bigotry. It's over and done with and a pretty good country emerged from the ashes of the Civil War. Let's not go backwards.

 

[Use of Time]

Democrats are the new American version of the taliban.


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And the the KKK and the Neonazis aren't really drawing a response. What a shock. Head in the sand.

 

[Use of Time]

Slavery was common practice in most of the world at that time. I honestly don't give a rip, flip, or tater chip about slavery. What concerns me is your Yankee government butchering my people, stealing our land, and driving us onto reservations where we are still oppressed.

It's over. You aren't two hundred years old.

 

[Use of Time]

It does not take a military genius to see that continuing to appease fat boy is a road to ruin.

And nuclear war isn't? Goodness gracious. Where did you study military history and tactics? What college? What degree?

 

[rsr]

Slavery was common practice in most of the world at that time. I honestly don't give a rip, flip, or tater chip about slavery. What concerns me is your Yankee government butchering my people, stealing our land, and driving us onto reservations where we are still oppressed.

Well, got me on that one. So the fact that your Native American ancestors were abused by the southern states and the federal government (in thrall to the slave interests) forced your people to give up their rightful land means you love the Confederacy. The federal government has lots to answer for in the treatment of Native Americans. So does the Confederacy, which convinced many of them to join the South against their own interests.

 

[Use of Time]

Funny how quickly Trump denounced the violence by right wing extremists and Obama excused the violence of black lives matter and left wing anarchists


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Actually all he denounced was bigotry. He wouldn't say the name of the enemy. Sound like an argument you used to make with the last guy? How can we defeat them if he can't call them what they are. Tap dance out of that box if you can.

 

[TCassidy]

I have a problem with those clinging to ancient history (like Reynolds) in a way that causes them to drive a car into people and spout bigotry.

I am sure you did not mean to suggest that Reynolds would commit such an atrocity. However, do we know anything about the driver and what his motives were?

 

[Use of Time]

I am sure you did not mean to suggest that Reynolds would commit such an atrocity. However, do we know anything about the driver and what his motives were?

Right, my analogy with regards to Reynolds stopped at the clinging to the past part.

 

[Use of Time]

Our Governor was able to man up and say what needed to be said.

"Go home. You are not wanted in this great commonwealth. Shame on you. You pretend that you're patriots, but you are anything but a patriot."

Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe delivers message to "white supremacists and Nazis" in Charlottesville after violence. Read more: One dead, others hurt after car strikes crowd at Charlottesville rally

 

[rsr]

rsr, by the same token, the poor whites in the north were drafted while the plutocrat's kids bought their way out of military service while their parents profited in the industrial north by means of their majority in Congress which allowed them to prevent the south from free enterprise and so lined their pockets on the backs of not only the poor white's of the north, but also the poor white's and black's of the south.

The war was not as simple as many people seem to think.

Tom, I am sure that, having read my posts over many years, you
do not think I believe "the war was as simple as many people seem to think."

The fact remains that if you read the resolutions of secession the overwhelming cause of the war was the protection of slavery. I will not post the resolutions here. They are available at many sites.

Both the North and South resorted to conscription because of the horrendous casualties. Many Southerners and Northerners were forced to fight against their will.

If you want to argue Northern capitalism vs. Southern slavery, we can do that.

But to say that the North prevented the South from developing a diversified economy, that is just wrong. The Southern planters were making incredible amounts of money from slavery and saw no need to change their ways when they were on top of the pyramid.

If you want to criticize the Northern capitalists who ground down the laboring class in the Gilded Age, I'm all for that.

 

[Reynolds]

It's over. You aren't two hundred years old.

No, it's not over.my people are the most oppressed group in the United States. Until we get the land back you stole and until you honor your treaties, nothing is "over."

 

[carpro]

McAuliffe is a spineless left wing agitator in his own right. He's very picky about whose violence he condemns. In fact, he himself is largely to blame for what is happening now. Destroying evidence of history he personally disagrees with, just like the taliban, was bound to draw a reaction from someone.


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[Use of Time]

No, it's not over.my people are the most oppressed group in the United States. Until we get the land back you stole and until you honor your treaties, nothing is "over."

Your people? You live in America. What is it you can't do exactly?

 

[Reynolds]

Well, got me on that one. So the fact that your Native American ancestors were abused by the southern states and the federal government (in thrall to the slave interests) forced your people to give up their rightful land means you love the Confederacy. The federal government has lots to answer for in the treatment of Native Americans. So does the Confederacy, which convinced many of them to join the South against their own interests.

It was in our best interest to join the Confederate army.