SavedByGrace
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WHAT exactly is God calling EVERYONE for???
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Has ALL Humanity Been Given a Measure of Faith?
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WHAT exactly is God calling EVERYONE for???
is it?
Perhaps in human thinking.
Did not The Lord weep saying,
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’
The opening of Romans declares how even though the law of God is written on everyone’s heart so that by nature humankind know right from wrong, they give themselves to depravity rather then honor.
Therefore, why would it be shocking that God must choose and select according to His divine purpose to use the vessels already confirmed in wrath and redeem such as He desires?
The decision not to believe does not start the condemnation, for such are already condemned.
For “we know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one not loving abides in death.” (1 John 3)
SavedByGrace
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see #81
The work of the Holy Spirit is to bring conviction to “the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment:…”. How then is the call not go out to all the World?
Remember the parable of the sower and seed?
The Seed is indiscriminately scattered, yet only the prepared earth brings harvest. The owner of the land determines the use of the land and what part is to be harvested.
Paul spends a bit of time in (my opinion) a partial answer beginning in chapter 3 of Romans.
He is calling all to repentance. Upon hearing that call, the unregenerate man will consider it foolishness. But to those whom God speaks his word into them and quickens that call is eternal life.
God is not unfair to speak to whom he wills and bring them to repentance. That is mercy, given to whom he wills and justice given to those who fairly deserve it, just as we deserve it, yet God inexplicably chose to give us mercy. We should stand in awe, not call God unfair.
Part of the answer is found here:
Do not assume, “ the many” refers to most from any generation, but according to the revelation it is unnumbered.
However, there are few when considering the statement from the Lord, “Broad is the way” and the most go that way.”
12Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, because all sinned. 13For until the Law, sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed, there being no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those not having sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the coming One.
15But so also the gift is not like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one, the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gift in grace, which is of the one man Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16And the gift is not as through one having sinned. For truly the judgment from one was unto condemnation; but the gift isout of many trespasses unto justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one, how much more will those receiving the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ!
18So then, just as through one trespass, it is unto condemnation to all men, so also through one act of righteousness it is unto justification of life to all men. 19For as indeed through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous.
15But so also the gift is not like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one, the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gift in grace, which is of the one man Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16And the gift is not as through one having sinned. For truly the judgment from one was unto condemnation; but the gift isout of many trespasses unto justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one, how much more will those receiving the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ!
18So then, just as through one trespass, it is unto condemnation to all men, so also through one act of righteousness it is unto justification of life to all men. 19For as indeed through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous.
However, there are few when considering the statement from the Lord, “Broad is the way” and the most go that way.”
SavedByGrace
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are you here saying that the "world" refers to the entire human race, or only to the "elect". If the former, then why would the Holy Spirit convict those who are not part of the "elect", and who can never be saved? If the latter, then it still does not deal with what I said earlier, WHAT is God calling the "many", who are the lost world of sinners, to?
SavedByGrace
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This makes zero sense! God is calling all to repentance, even though as God, He fully knows that the "non elect", those He has not chosen for salvation, and those who cannot repent??? This is a very much flawed Gospel, and does seem to be very much insincere on the part of God! He KNOWS the greater majority of mankind cannot be saved, because Jesus made not provision for their sins on the cross, and yet God calls these to repent, when the reformed teach that repentacne is a gift from God to the elect???
Your thology gets worse!
Then there is this Jon!... Well these Devils sure did?... Brother Glen
Matthew 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Anot
You are familiar with this passage, but I post it for the casual reader:
Someone ask The Lord a similar question about the number. Here is His response:
In my opinion, it is the total world order. Else why would the “law” be a part of the internal make up of every person, as the opening of Romans indicates?
You are familiar with this passage, but I post it for the casual reader:
28And we know that God works together all things for good to those loving God, to those being called according to His purpose, 29because those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom He predestined, these also He called; and whom He called, these also He justified; and whom He justified, these also He glorified.
31What then will we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?32For He who spared not the own Son, but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, with Him, grant us all things? 33Who will bring an accusation against the elect of God? God is the One justifying. 34Who is the one condemning? For it is Christ Jesus, the one having died, now rather having been raised up, who is also at the right hand of God, and who is interceding for us.
31What then will we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?32For He who spared not the own Son, but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, with Him, grant us all things? 33Who will bring an accusation against the elect of God? God is the One justifying. 34Who is the one condemning? For it is Christ Jesus, the one having died, now rather having been raised up, who is also at the right hand of God, and who is interceding for us.
22And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying,‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”
The call is indiscriminate to many. But unless given ears of discernment and the Holy Spirit opens the understanding, a person cannot enter anymore than those who say they were eye witness to the Savior.And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying,‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”
Yep.Then there is this Jon!... Well these Devils sure did?... Brother Glen
Matthew 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:19
SavedByGrace
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Then TULI of TULIP is FALSE
I couldn't care less if it doesn't make sense to you.This makes zero sense! God is calling all to repentance, even though as God, He fully knows that the "non elect", those He has not chosen for salvation, and those who cannot repent??? This is a very much flawed Gospel, and does seem to be very much insincere on the part of God! He KNOWS the greater majority of mankind cannot be saved, because Jesus made not provision for their sins on the cross, and yet God calls these to repent, when the reformed teach that repentacne is a gift from God to the elect???
Your thology gets worse!
God tells his servants to preach the gospel to all people, telling them to repent and be reconciled to God. This is our reasonable service.
From all who are given the gospel, God redeems whom he mercifully chooses. (Read Romans 9)
Whether that makes sense to you is irrelevant. It is what God tells us and therefore I believe it. That, my friend, is called faith.
no, but then I’m one not to hold to a scheme, but take from that scheme what I find consistent with scripture principle.
every one is totally depraved. That is shown factual in Scripture.
God does “respect” the conditions of humankind, but all are confirmed dead, already.
Therefore, the election of God is according to His purpose and use.
I differ from many in that I do hold the shed blood forgave all sin of the whole “kosmos.”
And though it may seem the grace of salvation is resistible, as evidenced by the statement of the Lord to Saul of Tarsus, ultimately, the Creator will not be refused (think Jonah and Moses).
SavedByGrace
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SavedByGrace
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so God is insincere? The Gospel which is for salvation from sins and eternal punishment, and reconciliation with God, is to be preached to every single human being. Calling on them to repent of their sins, and have faith in God. However, God knows He has only made provision for the salvation of only the elect, as Reformed theology tells us, and it is only these who can really repent and get saved, as again, Reformed theology tells us, that it is God Who grants repentance to the elect, so that they can get saved! This, my friend, is RANK DECEPTION! You invite people to repent and believe, KNOWING that they CANNOT???
This is NOT the God of the Holy Bible!
SavedByGrace
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Then you must believe that every single sinner in the would could get saved, if they were to "repent of their sins, and believe in the Gospel"? In which case, the TULI cannot be correct in your theology, as an "unlimited Atonement" destroys this!
SavedByGrace
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HOW can you say this? Surely you must care what everyone believes? I know that I do, hence I am on here!
The atonement for the believer is more than the blood. Had not the resurrection occurred, the blood would be considered no more than any other sacrifice and the shedding of blood would have had to continue even to this day.
What does then salvation be based? Belief, as stated in John 3. For Christ was once offered, for sins, and no more does sin stand as the cause.
However, could every sinner in the world be saved? I wish! But I am not given to know who can or cannot. My commission is to go and teach as if all could, appealing to all, spreading the seed indiscriminately that some may may be saved.
In the Old Testament, the blood sprinkled covered all even those who did not believe and mocked, and scorned. Yet, some went to paradise and some to torment. What was the separation determiner? Was it not belief?
Therefore, certainly I consider the atonement limited, but not from a lack of blood, but the lack of belief.