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Calminian

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A quick look at some of the posts by Trump's more rabid supporters in the Politics Section of this site could cause one to think that it is not confined to Liberals.

Do you forgive Trump and accept that he's now pro life? And why do you consider me rabid?
 

Calminian

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So you're questioning my faith because I'm not a Republican? Correct?

No, there are many republicans that are not Christians also. But if you're pro abortion and pro gay marriage? I think it's at least fair to doubt it. I'm not going to say point blank, you're not a Christian, but I do wonder how a Christian can support things like that.
 

FollowTheWay

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Exactly. Sometimes you're only dealing with professing people of God. Liberalism is not about benign opinions. It often sets itself directly against God. That's why I believe Churches have made a grave mistake depoliticizing themselves. It only opens the door for unbelievers to infiltrate.
I've found there are a lot of hypocrites among the "Christian Right." The only people that Jesus really strongly opposed were hypocrites. These self-righteously say one thing but then live their lives in an entirely different way. According to the MAT 25 description of the Last Judgement, Jesus will say to them:

[Mat 25:41-43 KJV] 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
 

Calminian

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I've found there are a lot of hypocrites among the "Christian Right." The only people that Jesus really strongly opposed were hypocrites. These self-righteously say one thing but then live their lives in an entirely different way. According to the MAT 25 description of the Last Judgement, Jesus will say to them:

And even hypocrites could gain forgiveness if they repented and believe. But this is true of all of us. We all have to repent.

But if you support murder, and refuse to repent, how can you call yourself a follower of Christ? Do you not believe in repentance?
 

FollowTheWay

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Yes, this is back when Trump supported your views. I believe that back then I was also pro choice. What's the point?
Where do you get the idea that I support abortion? Trump hasn't changed. He's a typical New Yorker. I lived up there for 30 years and I know them. He said that on the video and it still holds true. He renounced Republicans because "they are just too conservative." So you voted for someone who fully supports abortion.
 

Calminian

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Where do you get the idea that I support abortion? Trump hasn't changed. He's a typical New Yorker. I lived up there for 30 years and I know them. He said that on the video and it still holds true. He renounced Republicans because "they are just too conservative." So you voted for someone who fully supports abortion.

You Praised Jimmy Carter as a godly man. Yet Carter supports abortion and gay marriage. In fact 2 of the pro abortion liberals on the courts today were appointed to lower courts by Carter. Clearly if you had a choice for Carter or Trump, you're choosing Carter.

And you oppose Trump who nominates conservative judges, and falsely accuse him of lying about being pro life. Where is your evidence? Don't you need evidence to make an accusation?
 

FollowTheWay

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And even hypocrites could gain forgiveness if they repented and believe. But this is true of all of us. We all have to repent.

But if you support murder, and refuse to repent, how can you call yourself a follower of Christ? Do you not believe in repentance?
I answered your question about abortion yesterday. Do you support murder by taking away health care from the needy? I know 2 deserving people (both actually former millionaires who have had prolonged bouts with cancer) who would have died if Obamacare hadn't passed. Do you support murdering retirees who depend on Medicare. The GOP does. Do you support murdering our "enemies and non-combatants in meaningless wars like Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq?
 

FollowTheWay

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You Praised Jimmy Carter as a godly man. Yet Carter supports abortion and gay marriage. In fact 2 of the pro abortion liberals on the courts today were appointed to lower courts by Carter. Clearly if you had a choice for Carter or Trump, you're choosing Carter.

And you oppose Trump who nominates conservative judges, and falsely accuse him of lying about being pro life. Where is your evidence? Don't you need evidence to make an accusation?
I've said this before. Own up to the fact that the Roe vs. Wade court was composed of 6 Republicans and 3 Democrats. Your party is responsible for legalized abortion in America and has done NOTHING in almost 50 years to reverse THEIR mistake.
 

Calminian

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I answered your question about abortion yesterday.

Yes, you praise pro abortion Presidents.

Do you support murder by taking away health care from the needy? I know 2 deserving people (both actually former millionaires who have had prolonged bouts with cancer) who would have died if Obamacare hadn't passed.

I highly doubt this.

Do you support murdering retirees who depend on Medicare. The GOP does.....

Again with these accusation? Is the the behavior of a true Christian? Do we just false accuse with no evidence? You seem to be really bothered by people questioning your faith, but then you throw out murder accusations. Which is worse?
 

777

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I've said this before. Own up to the fact that the Roe vs. Wade court was composed of 6 Republicans and 3 Democrats. Your party is responsible for legalized abortion in America and has done NOTHING in almost 50 years to reverse THEIR mistake.

Not true. The GOP is handling the issue at the state level to the point the Democratic Party at all levels are screaming their pro-abortion heads off, and notice that one of the first EOs Trump did was Mexico City. And you're wrong about RvW as well - five of the seven that voted for it were Republican nominees but two of these, Brennan and Powell were lifelong Democrats. Ike appointed Brennan because he wanted re-election and Nixon appointed Powell because he was perceived to be tough on crime. IOW, at that time SCOTUS was comprised of 5 Democrats and 4 Republicans, those presidents made the fatal mistake of trusting a Democrat.
 

FollowTheWay

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Not true. The GOP is handling the issue at the state level to the point the Democratic Party at all levels are screaming their pro-abortion heads off, and notice that one of the first EOs Trump did was Mexico City. And you're wrong about RvW as well - five of the seven that voted for it were Republican nominees but two of these, Brennan and Powell were lifelong Democrats. Ike appointed Brennan because he wanted re-election and Nixon appointed Powell because he was perceived to be tough on crime. IOW, at that time SCOTUS was comprised of 5 Democrats and 4 Republicans, those presidents made the fatal mistake of trusting a Democrat.
The fact remains that the majority of SP justices that supported R vs. Wade were appointed by Republicans. Therefore it was a Republican decision. You can try to talk around that b ut that's the historical truth.
 

FollowTheWay

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Yes, you praise pro abortion Presidents.



I highly doubt this.



Again with these accusation? Is the the behavior of a true Christian? Do we just false accuse with no evidence? You seem to be really bothered by people questioning your faith, but then you throw out murder accusations. Which is worse?
You highly doubt what? Killing the born is just as much of a sanctity of life issue as abortion. You're saying they don't count?
 

FollowTheWay

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No, there are many republicans that are not Christians also. But if you're pro abortion and pro gay marriage? I think it's at least fair to doubt it. I'm not going to say point blank, you're not a Christian, but I do wonder how a Christian can support things like that.
How many times do I need to state my position on abortion. You're discriminating against me by assuming that as a Democrat I accept all of their positions. That's simply not true.
 

FollowTheWay

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How many times do I need to state my position on abortion. You're discriminating against me by assuming that as a Democrat I accept all of their positions. That's simply not true.
For the third time, what is your position on murdering the born by removing access to medical care and by supporting wars of aggression that have no merit and kill millions of people?
 

Calminian

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How many times do I need to state my position on abortion. You're discriminating against me by assuming that as a Democrat I accept all of their positions. That's simply not true.

I'm just trying to understand why you support candidates and a party that violate your abortion stance. Why does this conviction you have about abortion not translate to voting? Why do you think some abortion advocates are godly?
 

Calminian

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For the third time, what is your position on murdering the born by removing access to medical care and by supporting wars of aggression that have no merit and kill millions of people?

Huh? Who removes medical care? Is Trump removing medial care? I thought Obama ripped millions away from their doctors. Is he murdering?

Please submit the documentation for the millions that are being murdered.
 

777

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The fact remains that the majority of SP justices that supported R vs. Wade were appointed by Republicans. Therefore it was a Republican decision. You can try to talk around that b ut that's the historical truth.

But that's not what you said, was it? What you first said was that it was Republicans that formed the majority on RvW (wrong), and that Republicans were the abortion party (wrong) - that award goes to the Democrat Party, follow the PP trail.

Ancient history, kind of like they were the slavery party - DRED SCOTT was a DEMOCRAT decision, they are still for slavery! You can try to talk around that but that's the historical truth
 
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