Steadfast Fred
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most Christians throughout HISTORY have practiced it
Name them, please.
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most Christians throughout HISTORY have practiced it
Name them, please.
"It is puerile and irresponsible for any pastor to encourage the recreational use of intoxicants – especially in church-sponsored activities," MacArthur, who leads Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, Calif., wrote in a recent blog post. "The ravages of alcoholism and drug abuse in our culture are too well known, and no symbol of sin’s bondage is more seductive or more oppressive than booze."
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/j...ooze-with-ministry-54002/#R2QGtbbcw7tx38gA.99
As I said before, Paul lived in a different culture, as did our Puritan and Pilgrim forefathers. What is a stigma in one era is not in another.
God has, from eternity past, chosen a people out of a fallen race, who will drink the finest alcoholic beverages the land has to offer. These people, the "selects", God will make it so that they will have the finest selection of wines, beers, liquors, malts, etc. They WILL drink, and not of their own will, but of the will of the Father, because He has chosen them thusly.
Those who have been passed over, will never get these "finer" spirits, neither will they ever have a desire to drink them. They, in their already fallen state, will have no desire for them, because God has passed over them. They will have to get by on "skunk beer", and "ripple".
Just kidding. I am trying to lighten the mood seeing that it's get quite contentious on here.
I drank to excess in the Navy many years ago, not often, but when I did, it was sort of like the eight shot of tequilla described in an above post. Saved or not, that told me I had no business drinking after getting out of the service.
I was an IC2, IC1, and ET3 at various times. How about you??Hey Saturnneptue were we in the navy together:
that is exactly what I did!
Your sources are flawed. For instance, the first one assumes Catholics are Christian. IMO, they are not. They have their gods and goddesses they pray to. Not a Christian practice.See post 93.
You're not even making an honest ATTEMPT to represent me and my position honestly.
I could not have said more clearly- I don't suppose there are words that are more clear in MORTAL TONGUE- that I do not begrudge one their personal right not to drink.
I could not have employed words in any language known to man to have been any clearer.
And you turn right around and say I condemn one's right not to drink alcohol.
Now, either you do not read well or you do not care about honesty in debate.
Did you read my post AT ALL???
Are you debating ME or are you just shooting at very flimsy straw men?
Are you going to address the points that I actually made or are you going to just shoot off generic rhetoric that is irrelevant to the discussion we are trying to have?
Are you going to address the point I made about Paul gutting people who preached abstinence from meats- that he was considerate ONLY AS LONG AS THOSE IGNORANT CHRISTIANS KEPT THEIR IGNORANCE TO THEMSELVES but that he was FIERCE AGAINST THEM WHEN THEY PREACHED THAT STUPIDITY TTHERS?
Are you even going to address what I actually say?
As stated above, for me, the purpose of drinking when I did was drinking was to feel good. Today, it is that plus, as you stated, a witness to others. I still cannot say that others come to the same conclusion. In the realm of possibility, there are Christians that really drink in moderation, and do not view it as a stumbling block to others. That is not the case with me, but feel I have no right to impose my views on others, as one would be hard pressed to make a case for abstinence from Scripture.You are saying that I am scriptural not followIng Paul which is attack on me and I am trying to see where anything I said is. Eating and drinking are two different things you can be a strong Christian and teach abstaining from alcohol. If it is in fact causing discord among believers. There will always be weak brothers. If something is causing men to stumble and sin cut it off. If it isn't causing you to stumble or people around you then drink. If you find alcohol is ok in scripture then do, if anyone sees the damage it is causing to one self and other and teach to abstain than teach it for the sake off all weak Christian coming to Jesus being an alcoholic and don't like who they are when they drink. Drinking to me isn't more important than those around me.
As stated above, for me, the purpose of drinking when I did was drinking was to feel good. Today, it is that plus, as you stated, a witness to others. I still cannot say that others come to the same conclusion. In the realm of possibility, there are Christians that really drink in moderation, and do not view it as a stumbling block to others. That is not the case with me, but feel I have no right to impose my views on others, as one would be hard pressed to make a case for abstinence from Scripture.
I was an IC2, IC1, and ET3 at various times. How about you??
I guess its just where you are in your spiritual growth - if you desireto follow God's will, and His purpose, knowing that your body is atemple, and your life is a clear glass window.
And it doesn't harm your witness. The only people who believe that it does are those who are against it to begin with. You think non-Christians care? Absolutely not.
John is as a said a few posts back- VERY brilliant in many areas and not so much in others. But let it be known that John is not a teetotaler. He is an abstentionist. There is a significant difference. It works like this- he's basically too smart to believe that drinking responsibly is a sin. So he contends that abstaining in this current age is a wise thing.
There's a big difference between that position and the very ignorant position that all drinking is sin.
EM3,EM2 and EM1 Nuke Carrier Sailor Nimitz. I got out in 81
I have a friend who is an alcoholic even though he and his wife have not touched a drop of alcohol in over 20 years. But, he said any time he sees someone drinking it does affect their witness to him and also it temps him. So, yes it can have a negative impact on your witness and you may tempt someone who may, because of your drinking, fall into excessive drinking again. To me that would be a sin in that it caused another to sin.
I have a friend who is an alcoholic even though he and his wife have not touched a drop of alcohol in over 20 years. But, he said any time he sees someone drinking it does affect their witness to him and also it temps him. So, yes it can have a negative impact on your witness and you may tempt someone who may, because of your drinking, fall into excessive drinking again. To me that would be a sin in that it caused another to sin.