Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

[DHK]

So you give more credit to the person than you do the Holy Spirit! Only the Holy Spirit can manifest the way 1 Cor. 12 says!

THe promise to the believers have not ceased!

I give credit to the Scriptures, not your definition of the Holy Spirit. What you define as the Holy Spirit is no doubt another spirit as 1John 4:1-4 tells us to beware of. It is not of God, for as mentioned already, God does not bless the spirit of a "useless mind," which you tell me that you have.
I stand on the Word of God, which I have correctly interpreted for you, and which you have just denied. You didn't refute it just now. You questioned it. I find that interesting, and sad at the same time.

 

[Yeshua1]

I will share with you...Just have to dig up my notes on it! And of course my documented reference so you will accept it!
But this thread is on proving it in the scriptures!

Where were these manifestations in the church before 1905 onward?

why didn't God speak to the reformers at least regarding this issue, wouldn't God want the church to be preaching the "full Gospel" as you espouse it?

Would you still want to say calvin/Luthor and the gang were either incompenent students of the bible and misse it, or the HS waoited another 500 years to try again?

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Your understanding is faulty! It is simple!

"Now to each one the manifestationof the Spirit is given for the common good" (1 Cor. 12:7)

Manifestation is a translation of the Greek word phanerosis, which means "a manifestation, a making visible or observable." A manifestation is detectable by the five senses. We experience manifestations all the time. Electric energy in a light bulb is manifested in the form of light and heat. A manifestation of chicken pox is a rash with small pimple-like sores. We can not see the virus, but we can see the manifestation of the disease.

The Holy Spirit is manifested in the 9 gifts of the spirit through a believer. (In context of chapter 12 of Corinthians)

As usual, your show complete inability to comprehend my posts and scripture. You think you walk in light, but instead you walk in darkness and blindness. You are deceived.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Well the readers can decide for themselves as I did...or they can ignore it and stick with their man-made theology as you have!

All you have is to spew forth your "man-made theology" charge. It has been proven by scripture that it is YOU who is following man-made theology, a theology that was invented by fanatics and false teachers in 1900-1905. You are foolishly deceived.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Whose theology is man-made?
You have given the word "manifestation" some mystical existential meaning that doesn't exist.

Here is the CEV translation of 1Cor.12:7 without the word "manifestation" in it:

1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.

Obviously it doesn't mean what you think.
The Holy Spirit gives to each person in the church different ways of serving him. And that is not necessarily with the supernatural sign gifts that are mentioned there. It may be the sacrificial gift of service where one offers to clean the bathrooms of the church building as well as the kitchen, and do the work that no one else wants to do. There is nothing supernatural about that. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were in general supernatural. They have ceased.

You don't have the gift of languages. If you did, you would be able to tell us what languages you speak in. Speaking in gibberish is not a language. It is foolhardy nonsense which comes from a source other than God.

So very true. And something not from God brings forth rotten fruit, such as arrogance, willful blindness, spiritual divisiveness, destruction.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I'll do it for you.

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/strangehistory.html

Modern day tongues movement had its beginnings here, in the occult.
But you probably won't believe that either. Your entire theology is based on what you have experienced.
"You can't take away what I have experienced," you say. No I can't, even if it is from the devil himself, I can't take it away. But you need to recognize its source. It is not of God. You can tell that because you know that it is not a real language. You don't know what you speak. As the Bible tells you: "your mind is useless." God doesn't bless "useless minds."

You are so right. God does not put anyone in a trance, and anything spoken by one in such a state is definitely NOT from God.

I have warned about the danger of Charismania. I have seen it in person.

 

[awaken]

Again! NO scripture to prove the gifts died out! Just personal attacks! Man-made theories! Incomplete history facts!

You want to prove Bible by history! But you do no have COMPLETE facts on the history of the manifestation of the HOly Spirit!

I started this thread for someone to show IN SCRIPTURE where the gifts died out! FAILED to do so, so you lower youself to personal attacks!

I will state as I did in earlier...
If the gifts were to die out before the second coming...wouldn't you think there would be more than one word..from one verse...from one chapter...from the whole Bible declaring it. (Which that one word "perfect" is not the complete Bible)...

I have shown more scriptures proving the gifts will be here in context! Therefore I will take the greater weight of scriptures in the Bible to prove a doctrine!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Again! NO scripture to prove the gifts died out! Just personal attacks! Man-made theories! Incomplete history facts!

You want to prove Bible by history! But you do no have COMPLETE facts on the history of the manifestation of the HOly Spirit!

I started this thread for someone to show IN SCRIPTURE where the gifts died out! FAILED to do so, so you lower youself to personal attacks!

I will state as I did in earlier...
If the gifts were to die out before the second coming...wouldn't you think there would be more than one word..from one verse...from one chapter...from the whole Bible declaring it. (Which that one word "perfect" is not the complete Bible)...

I have shown more scriptures proving the gifts will be here in context! Therefore I will take the greater weight of scriptures in the Bible to prove a doctrine!

As I said numerous times, I am not a cessationist, but neither am I a Charismatic because they, and you, teach false doctrine. You have been provided a multitude of scripture and its interpretation in proper context that totally refutes your erroneous views which were invented by occult fanatics in 1900-1905. But continue to follow such, and one day you might wake up in a place you do not want to be. No, I am not talking about hell, unless it's a hell of your own making on this earth. I am telling you that you are dabbling in dangerous stuff. I have seen it totally destroy lives. Your "private prayer language" is not a language, and it is not of God.

 

[awaken]

As I said numerous times, I am not a cessationist, but neither am I a Charismatic because they, and you, teach false doctrine. You have been provided a multitude of scripture and its interpretation in proper context that totally refutes your erroneous views which were invented by occult fanatics in 1900-1905. But continue to follow such, and one day you might wake up in a place you do not want to be. No, I am not talking about hell, unless it's a hell of your own making on this earth. I am telling you that you are dabbling in dangerous stuff. I have seen it totally destroy lives. Your "private prayer language" is not a language, and it is not of God.

This thread is about the gifts dying out! So state your belief concerning this with scriptural proof...

 

[Yeshua1]

This thread is about the gifts dying out! So state your belief concerning this with scriptural proof...

again, CERTAIN gifts ceased after the Apsotolic Age, such as Tongues, Miracles, healings, but NOT all of them!

Still nedd gifts to teach/preach/giving/excouragement/leadership etc!

 

[awaken]

again, CERTAIN gifts ceased after the Apsotolic Age, such as Tongues, Miracles, healings, but NOT all of them!

Still nedd gifts to teach/preach/giving/excouragement/leadership etc!

So are you saying only tongues, miracles and healings passed away?

 

[Yeshua1]

So are you saying only tongues, miracles and healings passed away?

saying those gifts ceased, other gifts such as to teach/lead/give/encourage etc in place!

And God still at times heal and do miracle, just based upon His decision to intervene in response to prayers, NOT that people have been gifted to do them!

 

[mactx]

How were the gifts given?
Originally, to the apostles it was via direct touching by the Holy Spirit.
After that ONLY by the laying on of the apostles hands.
I do not see it recorded that in any other way were gifts given. So that leads me to conclude that yes the gifts have ceased.
Do I think God still works miracles? yes. Not in the ... Katherine Kuhlman manner of flashy spectacles but quietly so that the believers can recognize them.
He healed me of cancer. He used a doctor and surgery to do it, but His hand was in it just the same.