• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

Status
Not open for further replies.

awaken

Active Member
CEV 1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.
It is the Holy Spirit manifesting himself through believers!

Can you have the gift of faith without the Holy Spirit?
Can you give a word of wisdom without the Holy Spirit?
Can you give a word of knowledge without the HOly Spirit?
Can you lay hands on anyone one and they are healed without the Holy Spirit?
Can you work a miracle without the Holy Spirit?
Can you prophesy without the Holy Spirit?
Can you speak in tongues or interpret without the Holy Spirit?

NO!!! It is the Holy Spirit manifesting himself through believers!
 

awaken

Active Member
who had the gift of healings and miracles recorded down outside of the book of acts?

did peter or paul record in their letters the miracles and healings god did by their hands ?

can't you see that the gifts like that were ceasing even during the time of hthe NT books being written , as evidenced in hebrews 2:2-4?
1 Corinthians listed them so they were manifested in that church! Paul was just correcting order!

No, they were not ceasing! Hebrews does not prove they did or were!
He confirmed His Word...and still does through signs and wonders!
 

awaken

Active Member
I gave you the example of Praying Hyde, and the great power that was upon his life and ministry. The above is the response to his testimony and the Holy Spirit working through his life.

However this is what you said previously:


Your stand is that Christianity did not teach what you believe is "the manifestation of the Holy Spirit" for 1800 years. That is what you said in post #138, and that is what you have said and claimed in other threads. That is your belief. Therefore what happened in India at the time of Praying Hyde, according to you must be of Satan, because the Holy Spirit wasn't working during that period. People had stopped believing.

Like I said, it is shameful the way you treat history, 1800 years of it.
It is shameful the way that you treat this current era:
That you are not able to demonstrate these same gifts that you believe are in operation; you cannot demonstrate that they are in operation. There is no available evidence that they are. We call that fraud. What do you call it? Belief in the non-existent? That is foolishness. [/FONT]
Maybe you need to dig a little deeper in history!
But my proof is in the scriptures!
 

awaken

Active Member
Both 1 Cor. 1:4-8 and 1 Cor. 13:8-14 teach that the gifts of the Spirit and the supernatural works of God will continue until the second coming of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is God's promise to every believer (Acts 2:38-39).

The miracle at Pentecost does not need repeating. Yet its promise is mine. Down to this very age, the Holy Spirit's benefits are available to you and me.

Nowhere does it say to ignore the book of Acts for teachng! Timothy says that ALL scripture is given for profitable doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness.

Galatians 3:1-5 Paul encouraged the Galatian Christians not to forsake the power of the Holy Spirit for the works of their flesh.

Today most people have elevated their fleshly theories above the Scripture.

Rom. 11:29 says that the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable! God does not go back on his promises!

Most people go to church and do not believe half of what they hear! Cessationism is an excuse for the church's lack of power and the absence of Jesus presence.

Paul teaches that each gift has a crucial place in the body. Today's cessationist would mutilate the body of Chirst by cutting off the supernatural gifts.

God wants truth and Spirit! This is a powerful unity!
 

Thomas Helwys

New Member
I have shown over and over where the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is still here today! YOu or anyone else has yet to prove different!

You have shown nothing because your definition of the "manifestation of the Holy Spirit" is faulty; therefore, false premise results in false outcome, equals nothing.
 

Thomas Helwys

New Member
I unlike you...believe it can happen all at once or separate. No one has to wait for it! But there are two works of the Holy Spirit..spirit within/salvation..spirit upon/power. If I received it all at once (which is possible), then my bad teachings in the past kept me from realizing it. They failed to teach me the power that I could be walking in. It was not until I was explained the scriptures plainly that I understood and by faith received what the Word says!

Whoever "explained" them to you was as wrong as you are now, believing and spreading error, with absolutely no comprehension of the context and meaning, blind leaders of the blind.
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
It is the Holy Spirit manifesting himself through believers!

Can you have the gift of faith without the Holy Spirit?
Can you give a word of wisdom without the Holy Spirit?
Can you give a word of knowledge without the HOly Spirit?
Can you lay hands on anyone one and they are healed without the Holy Spirit?
Can you work a miracle without the Holy Spirit?
Can you prophesy without the Holy Spirit?
Can you speak in tongues or interpret without the Holy Spirit?

NO!!! It is the Holy Spirit manifesting himself through believers!

And of course - Eph 4:6-13 points out the fact that the 1Cor 12 spiritual gifts are intended to be with the church through to the 2nd coming.

in Christ,

Bob
 

awaken

Active Member
And of course - Eph 4:6-13 points out the fact that the 1Cor 12 spiritual gifts are intended to be with the church through to the 2nd coming.

in Christ,

Bob
Not to mention 1 Cor. 13 when we see face to face and know as we are known.
Also 1 Cor. 1:7-8 is "So that you come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."
 
Last edited by a moderator:

awaken

Active Member
You have shown nothing because your definition of the "manifestation of the Holy Spirit" is faulty; therefore, false premise results in false outcome, equals nothing.

Your understanding is faulty! It is simple!

"Now to each one the manifestationof the Spirit is given for the common good" (1 Cor. 12:7)

Manifestation is a translation of the Greek word phanerosis, which means "a manifestation, a making visible or observable." A manifestation is detectable by the five senses. We experience manifestations all the time. Electric energy in a light bulb is manifested in the form of light and heat. A manifestation of chicken pox is a rash with small pimple-like sores. We can not see the virus, but we can see the manifestation of the disease.

The Holy Spirit is manifested in the 9 gifts of the spirit through a believer. (In context of chapter 12 of Corinthians)
 

awaken

Active Member
Whoever "explained" them to you was as wrong as you are now, believing and spreading error, with absolutely no comprehension of the context and meaning, blind leaders of the blind.
Well the readers can decide for themselves as I did...or they can ignore it and stick with their man-made theology as you have!
 

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
And of course - Eph 4:6-13 points out the fact that the 1Cor 12 spiritual gifts are intended to be with the church through to the 2nd coming.

in Christ,

Bob

god gave to the Apostolic witness the gifts to do signs and wonders and healings , and gavetongues/interpreting to let God speak to the church thru that during the transistion phase of the new church...

We have NONE of that for today!
 

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
1 Corinthians listed them so they were manifested in that church! Paul was just correcting order!

No, they were not ceasing! Hebrews does not prove they did or were!
He confirmed His Word...and still does through signs and wonders!

the writer of hebrews, under the inspiration of the HS, informed us that the Apsotle already had confirmed to us the truths concerning jesus/Gospel, so why would he basically deny the truth of what was recorded to have"revealtion truths" to the Charasmatic Movement?
 

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Maybe you need to dig a little deeper in history!
But my proof is in the scriptures!

Interesting that the HS has been able to do revivals in wales, england, America, greatAwaking, reformation, without any of those 'manifestations!"

How do you expalin him able to do that before the 1905 Charasmatic Renerwl movement?
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Well the readers can decide for themselves as I did...or they can ignore it and stick with their man-made theology as you have!
Whose theology is man-made?
You have given the word "manifestation" some mystical existential meaning that doesn't exist.

Here is the CEV translation of 1Cor.12:7 without the word "manifestation" in it:

1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.

Obviously it doesn't mean what you think.
The Holy Spirit gives to each person in the church different ways of serving him. And that is not necessarily with the supernatural sign gifts that are mentioned there. It may be the sacrificial gift of service where one offers to clean the bathrooms of the church building as well as the kitchen, and do the work that no one else wants to do. There is nothing supernatural about that. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were in general supernatural. They have ceased.

You don't have the gift of languages. If you did, you would be able to tell us what languages you speak in. Speaking in gibberish is not a language. It is foolhardy nonsense which comes from a source other than God.
 

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Whose theology is man-made?
You have given the word "manifestation" some mystical existential meaning that doesn't exist.

Here is the CEV translation of 1Cor.12:7 without the word "manifestation" in it:

1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.

Obviously it doesn't mean what you think.
The Holy Spirit gives to each person in the church different ways of serving him. And that is not necessarily with the supernatural sign gifts that are mentioned there. It may be the sacrificial gift of service where one offers to clean the bathrooms of the church building as well as the kitchen, and do the work that no one else wants to do. There is nothing supernatural about that. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were in general supernatural. They have ceased.

You don't have the gift of languages. If you did, you would be able to tell us what languages you speak in. Speaking in gibberish is not a language. It is foolhardy nonsense which comes from a source other than God.

the Bible states something plainly, yet Charasmatics take the "utternaces" and run with the interpratations given them!

they state"we hold to the bible", yet just like the SDA/RCC here, they really hold to experiences and extra biblical 'revelation" from God!
 

awaken

Active Member
Interesting that the HS has been able to do revivals in wales, england, America, greatAwaking, reformation, without any of those 'manifestations!"

How do you expalin him able to do that before the 1905 Charasmatic Renerwl movement?
You might want to dig a little deeper into your study of those revivals!
 

awaken

Active Member
Whose theology is man-made?
You have given the word "manifestation" some mystical existential meaning that doesn't exist.

Here is the CEV translation of 1Cor.12:7 without the word "manifestation" in it:

1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.

Obviously it doesn't mean what you think.
The Holy Spirit gives to each person in the church different ways of serving him. And that is not necessarily with the supernatural sign gifts that are mentioned there. It may be the sacrificial gift of service where one offers to clean the bathrooms of the church building as well as the kitchen, and do the work that no one else wants to do. There is nothing supernatural about that. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were in general supernatural. They have ceased.

You don't have the gift of languages. If you did, you would be able to tell us what languages you speak in. Speaking in gibberish is not a language. It is foolhardy nonsense which comes from a source other than God.
So you give more credit to the person than you do the Holy Spirit! Only the Holy Spirit can manifest the way 1 Cor. 12 says!

THe promise to the believers have not ceased!
 

awaken

Active Member
Why don;t you "enlighten" me!

were you going to claim they were all done under Charasmatic manifestations?
I will share with you...Just have to dig up my notes on it! And of course my documented reference so you will accept it!
But this thread is on proving it in the scriptures!
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
You might want to dig a little deeper into your study of those revivals!
I'll do it for you.
After his visits with Dowie and Sandford, Parham established the BETHEL BIBLE SCHOOL IN TOPEKA, KANSAS. It was patterned after Sandford’s ministry and was opened in October 1900 in a 30-room building called “Stone’s Folly.” It was so named because the owner, whose name was Stone, was unable to complete the building before going bankrupt. Parham was convinced that Christ’s return would be preceded by a latter rain outpouring of signs and wonders and he believed that tongues was the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He further believed that the tongues would be real earthly languages that would enable missionaries to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth without having to learn foreign languages. According to Parham’s teaching, those who received the latter rain baptism and tongues would form the bride of Christ and would rule with Him at His coming.

Parham urged his students to seek this experience, and in this context he laid hands on one of his Bible school students, AGNES OZMAN, on January 1, 1901, and she allegedly began to speak in Chinese and later in Bohemian. She spoke while in a trance (Topeka State Journal, Jan. 9, 1901). Subsequently, Parham and others at the small Bible school allegedly also began to speak in tongues. They even claimed that cloven tongues of fire appeared over the heads of the tongues speakers.

Parham said that language professors and other linguistically educated people confirmed that the tongues the students were speaking were languages, but this has never been confirmed. Newspaper reporters of the day described the phenomenon merely as “gibberish.
http://www.wayoflife.org/database/strangehistory.html

Modern day tongues movement had its beginnings here, in the occult.
But you probably won't believe that either. Your entire theology is based on what you have experienced.
"You can't take away what I have experienced," you say. No I can't, even if it is from the devil himself, I can't take it away. But you need to recognize its source. It is not of God. You can tell that because you know that it is not a real language. You don't know what you speak. As the Bible tells you: "your mind is useless." God doesn't bless "useless minds."
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top