Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

[Yeshua1]

I ask for scriptures and you give your opinion!

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Hebrews 2:3-4

God confirmed the witlness of them, who saw Chrsit, the Apsotles, thru signs and wonders and miracles!

past tense, already confirmed, by eyewitnesses of Christ!

IF you want to say they still are operating today, would need to get an eyewitness of christ, do you know any who have seen him ?

 

[DHK]

I read it in His Word! I believed it! I received it! I experienced it!

So you say. But you have read the Word with a bias. You have believed a misinterpretation of it. What you received is not the Word but a destructive rendering of it. People here have been trying to help you see that. When one takes the Word out of context, makes it say what it doesn't say at all, then they are in a state of denial and unbelief. They do not believe the Word and have not received the Word, and that renders all experiences invalid and not of God.

 

[awaken]

3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Hebrews 2:3-4

God confirmed the witlness of them, who saw Chrsit, the Apsotles, thru signs and wonders and miracles!

past tense, already confirmed, by eyewitnesses of Christ!

IF you want to say they still are operating today, would need to get an eyewitness of christ, do you know any who have seen him ?

I agree that His Word was confirmed through the apostles, but that does not mean they are the only ones and it does not prove they have ceased! It is plain when they will cease ....when we see face to face and we know as we are known!

 

[awaken]

So you say. But you have read the Word with a bias. You have believed a misinterpretation of it. What you received is not the Word but a destructive rendering of it. People here have been trying to help you see that. When one takes the Word out of context, makes it say what it doesn't say at all, then they are in a state of denial and unbelief. They do not believe the Word and have not received the Word, and that renders all experiences invalid and not of God.

So you want me to believe your misinterpretation of scriptures instead???
Your interpretation is full of unbelief! I have kept the Word in context! You on the other hand have not. You have also ignored most of the context even when it is presented to you!

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree that His Word was confirmed through the apostles, but that does not mean they are the only ones and it does not prove they have ceased! It is plain when they will cease ....when we see face to face and we know as we are known!

that was trhe express purpose of those sign gifts, and also to give for revealtion from god, but since we have the completed bible now, and jesus has been already confirmed, they ceased to operate anymore!

 

[Yeshua1]

So you want me to believe your misinterpretation of scriptures instead???
Your interpretation is full of unbelief! I have kept the Word in context! You on the other hand have not. You have also ignored most of the context even when it is presented to you!

were luthor/calvin/moody/Wesley/Spurgeon etc ALL in unbelief then?

NONE of them claimed to have awareness of these manifestions, and would trust them over the hagin/Copeland/Hinn that claim them!

 

[DHK]

So you want me to believe your misinterpretation of scriptures instead???
Your interpretation is full of unbelief! I have kept the Word in context! You on the other hand have not. You have also ignored most of the context even when it is presented to you!

At one time I went through the entire chapter of 1Cor.14 verse by verse. That is context. You still ignore it. Every verse you turn upside down and say it doesn't mean what it actually means. A rebuke turns into a blessing. An illustration turns into a permission or even advocating the practice. You ignore context.
You don't want to admit that Paul was using the "For example" of praying before a meal" as an illustration, and not advocating praying in another language. Isn't that right? Rather you take that context, ignore it, and use it to push a tongues agenda, when it isn't teaching speaking in tongues. That is the kind of thing you do.
There are many other such examples.

Peter said this:
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Yeshua1]

At one time I went through the entire chapter of 1Cor.14 verse by verse. That is context. You still ignore it. Every verse you turn upside down and say it doesn't mean what it actually means. A rebuke turns into a blessing. An illustration turns into a permission or even advocating the practice. You ignore context.
You don't want to admit that Paul was using the "For example" of praying before a meal" as an illustration, and not advocating praying in another language. Isn't that right? Rather you take that context, ignore it, and use it to push a tongues agenda, when it isn't teaching speaking in tongues. That is the kind of thing you do.
There are many other such examples.

Peter said this:
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

God only knows how many sincere chrsitians have had their faith shpwreaked, their lives come aprt due to buing into wealth and health and miracles and healings, yet suffer loss of jobs, family dying, them getting sick etc and only answer was "you must have either be a sinner, or "lacked the faith!"

 

[awaken]

that was trhe express purpose of those sign gifts, and also to give for revealtion from god, but since we have the completed bible now, and jesus has been already confirmed, they ceased to operate anymore!

The manifestation of the Spirit is given to profit ALL!!! The church is still being edified, comforted and exhorted through them! I am sorry you have denied them in yours!

 

[awaken]

At one time I went through the entire chapter of 1Cor.14 verse by verse. That is context. You still ignore it. Every verse you turn upside down and say it doesn't mean what it actually means. A rebuke turns into a blessing. An illustration turns into a permission or even advocating the practice. You ignore context.
You don't want to admit that Paul was using the "For example" of praying before a meal" as an illustration, and not advocating praying in another language. Isn't that right? Rather you take that context, ignore it, and use it to push a tongues agenda, when it isn't teaching speaking in tongues. That is the kind of thing you do.
There are many other such examples.

Peter said this:
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul was correcting praying in the spirit/tongues in the service! NOthing you have posted proves the gifts have cease! Your lack of experiencing them does not prove it!

 

[Yeshua1]

Paul was correcting praying in the spirit/tongues in the service! NOthing you have posted proves the gifts have cease! Your lack of experiencing them does not prove it!

when where the tongues EVER not given as to be used in the church assembly?

they were used to speak forth what God wanted them to hear and receive, but we have the fullword of god to us in the Bible now

Why can't you understand that?

 

[awaken]

God only knows how many sincere chrsitians have had their faith shpwreaked, their lives come aprt due to buing into wealth and health and miracles and healings, yet suffer loss of jobs, family dying, them getting sick etc and only answer was "you must have either be a sinner, or "lacked the faith!"

God only knows how many sincere christians miss out on what God has in store for them here on earth because they deny the Power of the manifestation in there lives.

Funny thing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit...once you have experienced it...it will make you fall in love with Jesus deeper...desire more of Him..a strong desire to read His word! A desire to be in the assembly where is presence is manifested!

If it is of satan...then I don't think he is accomplishing what he wanted to! Because most spirit filled christians are on fire for God!

 

[DHK]

Paul was correcting praying in the spirit/tongues in the service! NOthing you have posted proves the gifts have cease! Your lack of experiencing them does not prove it!

Your non-Biblical use of a Biblical gift demonstrates that it has ceased.
Your inability to demonstrate that any of the sign gifts are in operation today demonstrates that they have ceased.
Your inability to point to anyone presently alive to demonstrate that any of these gifts are in operation today demonstrates that they have ceased.

Furthermore your claim that they are in operation, and your inability to demonstrate it, makes you a fraud, which is a criminal offense under the law. How do you suppose one should account for that? Is this a typical Christian trait?

 

[Yeshua1]

God only knows how many sincere christians miss out on what God has in store for them here on earth because they deny the Power of the manifestation in there lives.

Funny thing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit...once you have experienced it...it will make you fall in love with Jesus deeper...desire more of Him..a strong desire to read His word! A desire to be in the assembly where is presence is manifested!

If it is of satan...then I don't think he is accomplishing what he wanted to! Because most spirit filled christians are on fire for God!

the bible states that ALL christians have the SAME Holy spirit in them, and that ALl have ALL spritual blessings in christ!

and satan is doing much better in regards to deluding and spiritually seducung people than you think, for many have gotten trapped in the maize of "Charasmatic Chaos!"

 

[BobRyan]

The apostle Paul said that the spiritual gifts of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge will someday pass away:

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears." (1 Corinthians 13:8-10)

This is the only passage in the entire New Testament which tells us when any gifts of the Spirit will pass away. If we want to know whether or not these spiritual gifts have "died out" (as some people believe) then don't we need to understand what completion it is speaking of?

IF this was as most say...ceased! Don't you think more scripture would be written to explain it away?

Ephesians 4:4-10 says that the Spiritual gifts are to remain until the 2nd coming.

The 1Cor 13 statement predicts a time when they will end - but for now "we see in a glass darkly but then face to face " 1Cor 13:12.

And of course John tells us when that will be in 1John 3 "when He appears we shall see Him as He is for we shall be like Him".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[awaken]

Ephesians 4:4-10 says that the Spiritual gifts are to remain until the 2nd coming.

The 1Cor 13 statement predicts a time when they will end - but for now "we see in a glass darkly but then face to face " 1Cor 13:12.

And of course John tells us when that will be in 1John 3 "when He appears we shall see Him as He is for we shall be like Him".

in Christ,

Bob

Sound post! I agree!:thumbs:

 

[Thomas Helwys]

So you want me to believe your misinterpretation of scriptures instead???
Your interpretation is full of unbelief! I have kept the Word in context! You on the other hand have not. You have also ignored most of the context even when it is presented to you!

You have not kept the Word in context because you have shown that you either do not know what the context is or you ignore it. It is by using the context that you and the Charismatic interpretation has been proven wrong, over and over again.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

God only knows how many sincere chrsitians have had their faith shpwreaked, their lives come aprt due to buing into wealth and health and miracles and healings, yet suffer loss of jobs, family dying, them getting sick etc and only answer was "you must have either be a sinner, or "lacked the faith!"

I know a young woman suffering from a crippling disease who went to a faith healer out of desperation. She was in a wheelchair, and they rolled her up front to be prayed for. The faith healer prayed for her, popping her on the head as they do but so hard it knocked her wheelchair over backwards! He had the nerve to claim it was the HS and she was healed! It's a wonder she wasn't injured, but she was embarrassed and broke into tears. She wasn't healed, continues to be in the wheelchair, and the charlatan faith healer keeps fooling people and devastating them.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

God only knows how many sincere christians miss out on what God has in store for them here on earth because they deny the Power of the manifestation in there lives.

Funny thing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit...once you have experienced it...it will make you fall in love with Jesus deeper...desire more of Him..a strong desire to read His word! A desire to be in the assembly where is presence is manifested!

If it is of satan...then I don't think he is accomplishing what he wanted to! Because most spirit filled christians are on fire for God!

I and all Christians have been baptized by the Holy Spirit. It is not something anyone has to seek for or wait for after conversion. That is a false gospel which divides Christians into two classes, a superior one and an inferior one.

 

[awaken]

You have not kept the Word in context because you have shown that you either do not know what the context is or you ignore it. It is by using the context that you and the Charismatic interpretation has been proven wrong, over and over again.

I have shown over and over where the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is still here today! YOu or anyone else has yet to prove different!