are you though? jesus claimed the HS would teach us the truth of the Word of god, how is it that He seems to be misguiding you in your interprtations though?
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Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?
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are you though? jesus claimed the HS would teach us the truth of the Word of god, how is it that He seems to be misguiding you in your interprtations though?
Well, I am experiencing what the the Holy Spirit has led me to believe! Confirmation enough!are you though? jesus claimed the HS would teach us the truth of the Word of god, how is it that He seems to be misguiding you in your interprtations though?
The Holy Spirit isn't a hypocrite.Good thing that I listen to the Holy Spirit and not you!
It is quite evident from the passage in Mark 16 that if picking up serpents and drinking poisonous substances were fulfilled in the days of the apostles (and they were), that so was speaking in tongues, as all three are mentioned in the same breath.
Well, I am experiencing what the the Holy Spirit has led me to believe! Confirmation enough!
who have been your human teachers in your walk with the lord/
What authors have you found to help you grow?
And whyis it that you keep coming back to experience as the main determining factor for 'sound doctrine?"
Thomas Helwys
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Well, I am experiencing what the the Holy Spirit has led me to believe! Confirmation enough!
The Holy Spirit does not lead in contradiction to the scriptures. You should re-evaluate what spirit is leading you.
The Holy Spirit does not lead in contradiction to the scriptures. You should re-evaluate what spirit is leading you.
If ALL the charasmatics did as you rightly suggested here, the "Movemnet" would fizzle out and die!
"Have any of the spiritual gifts died out?"Well...it is evident that no one is able to address any of the post on this thread with scriptures!
That is the name of this thread.
I have given you plenty of Scripture relating to the apostles, the completion of the Word, a sign to the Jews, etc. There is lots of Scripture, plus the fact that there is no historical evidence that they have been practiced for the last 1900 years or are being practiced now.
You won't give any evidence, thus your credibility is at zero.
Why do you claim something that you cannot do?
Why shouldn't you receive the same condemnation that Charles Taze Russell got?
Please explain!
Premise: "I want to commit suicide."My stand is still the same! My scripture back up my belief!
Scripture: "Judas went out and hung himself."
"Go, and do thou likewise."
"What thou doest, do quickly."
"Blessed is he that keeps my commandments."
The Scripture backs up the premise.
This is the way you handle the Word of God.
My stand is still the same! My scripture back up my belief!
the basic problem is your appraoch to studying the bible though!
"Lord, I have my experiences, and what my teachers say should happen for us today, so make sure that I read and understand that based upon thatpremise only!"
Go back and read the thread...every stand I made..I gave scriptures! I base my doctrine of scripture...not man made theology!the basic problem is your appraoch to studying the bible though!
"Lord, I have my experiences, and what my teachers say should happen for us today, so make sure that I read and understand that based upon thatpremise only!"
It is "theology" built upon a foundation of experience. Yes, you have Scripture. But the experience is more important than the Scripture.Go back and read the thread...every stand I made..I gave scriptures! I base my doctrine of scripture...not man made theology!
My experience is valid because....(scripture out of context).
You want to discuss one of my post with scriptures be my guest! I will not bring up my experience...scriptures will speak alone!It is "theology" built upon a foundation of experience. Yes, you have Scripture. But the experience is more important than the Scripture.
My experience is valid because....(scripture out of context).
Go back and read the thread...every stand I made..I gave scriptures! I base my doctrine of scripture...not man made theology!
All the heretics claimed to 'stand upon the scriptures!"
Its NOT the HS revealing the truth though, its your own experiences/teachers!
You stand really upon a faulty interpretation of them!
Scriptures always speak for themselves, just as I posted here:You want to discuss one of my post with scriptures be my guest! I will not bring up my experience...scriptures will speak alone!
Also consider Psalm 14:1 which says:Premise: "I want to commit suicide."
Scripture: "Judas went out and hung himself."
"Go, and do thou likewise."
"What thou doest, do quickly."
"Blessed is he that keeps my commandments."
The Scripture backs up the premise.
This is the way you handle the Word of God.
"There is no God."
Do you also believe the Scriptures there?
But this is the way that you use the Scriptures.
When you address my thread and prove your belief with scripture...I will discuss with you...otherwise I am not going to bore the readers with such nonsense!Scriptures always speak for themselves, just as I posted here:
Also consider Psalm 14:1 which says:
"There is no God."
Do you also believe the Scriptures there?
But this is the way that you use the Scriptures.
I'll repeat this post which you never did answer.When you address my thread and prove your belief with scripture...I will discuss with you...otherwise I am not going to bore the readers with such nonsense!
Many of the points can be backed up with Scripture as you know, and the rest is backed up with history. So, why not answer the post?
"Have any of the spiritual gifts died out?"
That is the name of this thread.
I have given you plenty of Scripture relating to the apostles, the completion of the Word, a sign to the Jews, etc. There is lots of Scripture, plus the fact that there is no historical evidence that they have been practiced for the last 1900 years or are being practiced now.
You won't give any evidence, thus your credibility is at zero.
Why do you claim something that you cannot do?
Why shouldn't you receive the same condemnation that Charles Taze Russell got?
Please explain!
Maybe I should start repeating post you never address??????I'll repeat this post which you never did answer.
Many of the points can be backed up with Scripture as you know, and the rest is backed up with history. So, why not answer the post?
I would say nothing new to that post! I have addressed it in this thread on several of my post! MY stand and what I believe backed up with scriptures!
You can't answer a combination of scripture and history, can you?Maybe I should start repeating post you never address??????
I would say nothing new to that post! I have addressed it in this thread on several of my post! MY stand and what I believe backed up with scriptures!
Try it again. I'll post it again, and then spoon feed it too you.
"Have any of the spiritual gifts died out?"
That is the name of this thread.
I have given you plenty of Scripture relating to the apostles, the completion of the Word, a sign to the Jews, etc. There is lots of Scripture, plus the fact that there is no historical evidence that they have been practiced for the last 1900 years or are being practiced now.
You won't give any evidence, thus your credibility is at zero.
Why do you claim something that you cannot do?
Why shouldn't you receive the same condemnation that Charles Taze Russell got?
Please explain!
1. Scripture relating to the Apostles:
2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
--The spiritual gifts have died out because they were the spiritual gifts were the signs of an apostle. The apostles are dead. The Twelve Apostles are dead. Even those apostles called the "apostles of the churches" are dead. There has never been any apostolic succession. There are no apostles today, and hence no sign gifts. They have ceased. The last reference in Hebrews makes this particularly clear.
2. The completion of the Word.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
--Tongues, prophecy and revelatory knowledge would all cease when the word of God would be completed. They were temporary gifts, given for a short period of time, only while the word of God was still being written. By the end of the first century, they had ceased. That is the second reason.
3. Tongues were a sign to the Jews.
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
--This people is Israel. Tongues were a sign to the nation of Israel. It first came on the day of Pentecost, twice more that we know of in the book of Acts, and then is only recorded in the church of Corinth. One of the most important purposes was to serve as a sign to the Jews that what the Apostles were preaching was a message of God, and if they didn't believe it judgement would come. As prophesied they did not accept it; judgment came in 70 A.D. Jerusalem was destroyed; the Temple razed; and the nation dispersed. Israel was so scattered that it did not become a nation until 1900 years later in 1948.
4. From that approximate time (70-90 A.D.) the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased. There is no record of speaking in tongues, that is the actual gift of speaking in languages in history. The only version of speaking in tongues that we have in history is that which originated in 1905, "the gibberish" that modern day Charismatics speak today, and has been spoken previously in paganism. The roots of the modern day Charismatic movement is paganism.
There is no place in history in the last 1900 years where we see any example of a demonstration of the Biblical gift of healing or the Biblical gift of miracles.
5. There is no present-day demonstration of any of the above mentioned three gifts either.
Therefore I ask you again to explain yourself.
You claim these gifts are operative. But you can't demonstrate that they are, or even point to a person who can. Why shouldn't you receive the same condemnation that Charles Taze Russell did?
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