Yes! and to see the power of the HOly Spirit manifest in a service will turn you to Jesus! Make you stand in awe of who HE/Jesus is! Love him more!
The claim is only what Jesus promised! By faith we accept it!
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Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?
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You posted your wild theories and allegorization of snakes and poisons once before. Such allegorization is nothing short of a denial of the plain sense of the Word of God. You can make the Bible say anything you want through allegory. In the end the result is unbelief.
It is like your attitude here--one of unbelief. Scholars living at different times and backgrounds come to the same conclusion. But you don't believe. You are arrogant in your own unbelief to say that the whole world is wrong and you alone are right, even though people only started believing in what you now believe, in 1905. Before that no Christian ever believed what you believe. Your beliefs and practices were found only in paganism. That should tell you something.
NO! Your mistake is reading the Word with your understanding and not when it was written! They understood what and who He was referring to concerning the snakes and poison! Do a research! You like to read books other than the Bible to get your theology! Maybe they will show you what they believed about snakes and poison...But the Bible is clear to me!
Your error in Mark 16 contradicts!
It is plain that Jesus was telling them to go and preach...that is also for us to go and share the gospel.
It is plain that Jesus was telling them that those(us) that believe (us) and is baptized shall be saved...Is that just to the apostles too? NO! We all can believe and be saved!!
It is plain that he also includes by using the word "AND" signs will follow them (he did not say ye/you) that believe (us)..casting out demons were not just limited to the apostles, speaking in tongues were not just limited to the apostles.
It is plain that he said they (not ye/you)...Who? those that believe (us)..shall take up serpents ( is he telling anyone to take up a snake, whether it be the apostles or us, NO!)..IF they drink poision (he is not telling them to drink it, like you want me to do to prove something to you) it shall not hurt them.
Now with that in mind read Luke 10:19 and keep in mind these were not just the apostles! Make special note when he adds emphasis on what he says by saying...AND OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY! Snakes and scorpions are a reference to enemies not real snakes!
I gave you plenty of reference material of why it refers to only the apostles.
Luke 10:18 He said to them, "I saw Satan having fallen like lightning from heaven.
19 Behold, I give you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Nothing will in any way hurt you.
20 Nevertheless, don't rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."
--Verse 18 tells of their defeat over Satan.
Verse 19 tells of their protection from physical harm.
Verse 20 tells of their victory over the spiritual realm.
There is a very real reference to snakes and scorpions. There is no need to explain away the Bible to nothingness. Why not just deny that the Bible doesn't even teach salvation. Alllegorize the whole thing. Be a heretic like Origen who promoted the allegorical method of interpretation.
Now take the Bible literally, go home, and drink you draino.
what is the truth? What the Greek NT text recorded down for us, or what your experiences has showed you that it really means?
the truth in the end of the Gospel of mark is that many scholars see that as being an "add on" from a well meaning scribe, who inserted that ending, recording down the historical facts of the Apsotles healings and surviving poisons/snake bites, as John and paul were said to have done...
You also might very well have mark actually writting this ending himself, but that would also been himreferencing already known historical events!
Either way< NOT a biblcal mandate to keep on having signs and wonders!
Do you handle rattlesnakes in sewrvice? Some in the South do that, and have died from being bitten. must have had a "lack of faith!"
THis was not just to the apostles!
You continue to ask me to do something the Bible does not! Shame on you!There is a very real reference to snakes and scorpions. There is no need to explain away the Bible to nothingness. Why not just deny that the Bible doesn't even teach salvation. Alllegorize the whole thing. Be a heretic like Origen who promoted the allegorical method of interpretation.
Now take the Bible literally, go home, and drink you draino.
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So what other verse would you like to take out of the Bible to fit your theory?
Better question would be what verses would have to be added in to get your theology!
Where did you get that understanding from, as the bible seems to be saying plainly it was snakes and scorpions here, not said in order to get an allagorical meaning from it!
What did I add?
Luke 10:19 to start with...do a study on them and see what Jesus was referring to when he spoke about them to his disciples! They understood and did not question it!
paul said that we are in spiritual warfare, but did he ask us to seek the baptism in the HG, do signs and wonders, or put on the full armor of God?
It seems I have to explain everything a half dozen times to you, and then you come up with an excuse NOT to believe.
The signs and wonders given in Mark 16 were given to the apostles ONLY, as I have given you plenty of reference material to prove this to you.
Here again is the passage in Luke which was about Jesus sending out the 70. Jesus gave the 70 special power as he did previously when he sent out the 12.
Luke 10:18 He said to them, "I saw Satan having fallen like lightning from heaven.
19 Behold, I give you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Nothing will in any way hurt you.
20 Nevertheless, don't rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."
--Verse 18 tells of their defeat over Satan.
Verse 19 tells of their protection from physical harm.
Verse 20 tells of their victory over the spiritual realm.
That explanation should suffice. Remember it is in the gospels. It is before the cross.
Shame on you! You want to claim part of the verse and not the other. You want to claim the "speaking in tongues" promise but not the other part of the promises. That is hypocrisy. It demonstrates how these promises are not for you but specifically for the apostles. The information from the quotes I gave you explained this quite thoroughly. If they were truly applicable to you, you could go drink your Draino, and nothing harmful would happen to you. But you know that is not true. You know this promise is not for you. So why claim it (and the other gifts of the Spirit) as your own. They aren't. They were for the first century and for the Apostles in particular.
What has that got to do with Luke 10?
All I remember is you giving your opinion! I showed clearly that those that believe are those that believe the preaching of the gospel! The scripture is plain concerning this! I do not know why you can not see it is talking about us when he says those that believe and is baptized shall be saved!
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
You believe you can speak in tongues (vs.17), but you won't touch vs. 18 with a ten foot pole. Pure hypocrisy! If you believe one you must believe the other or you are inconsistent. You want the privilege to "claim" to speak in tongues but not to claim to take up serpents and drink poison. You know full well you will be exposed when challenged to drink poison. It is something you cannot fake like tongues.
Then you should have no trouble demonstrating your faith by drinking your Draino, should you? But you don't believe that.
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