Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

[Yeshua1]

No, the problem for your view is lack of faith in the Word of God!
Well, I guess those apostles that could not cast the demon out of a boy are false apostles because of their faliure!

Look show me in scriptures where they have ceased...don't show me why you are in unbelief! Because without scriptures you are only showing me your opinion and your verifying you unbelief because you do not SEE it or READ about it today!

jesus healed ALL who came to him, right?

the Apostles in Acts, after they "got the Pentacostal power"...

peter and paul had healing gifts that operated same as jesus had, right?

near end of his life though, the Gift ceased to operate thru paul, right?

was it lack of faith for paul, or the time for them to cease operating?

Jesus last word to us in the Revelation warned us against ading to the words of the book, and warned us against the faleprophets/teachers to come in the end times to do great sign and wonders to deceive all except those saved by the lord, right?

Do you EVER wonder why the bible and the HS directs us to "look to Christ", while the Devil wants us to look at great signs and wonders in last days?

 

[awaken]

jesus healed ALL who came to him, right?

Yes, Jesus healed all that came to him!

the Apostles in Acts, after they "got the Pentacostal power"...

peter and paul had healing gifts that operated same as jesus had, right?

Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure! I do not think that any of us have the Holy Spirit without measure, not even the apostles! But the Bible does show Many healings after the day of Pentecost!

near end of his life though, the Gift ceased to operate thru paul, right?

was it lack of faith for paul, or the time for them to cease operating?

I do not find this in scripture!

Jesus last word to us in the Revelation warned us against ading to the words of the book, and warned us against the faleprophets/teachers to come in the end times to do great sign and wonders to deceive all except those saved by the lord, right?

Ever wonder why he warned us about false prophets etc.? Why didn't he say there are no more prophets after such and such time so anyone claiming to be one deny them? But he did not say that...Therefore my conclusion is that the warning is because the real are here too!

Do you EVER wonder why the bible and the HS directs us to "look to Christ", while the Devil wants us to look at great signs and wonders in last days?

I did not or am I now looking for signs and wonders! I am discussing the Bible and what the Bible says concerning these things!

..and if I recall even Jesus told someone that if you do not believe me "then believe the works that I do"...not sure where that is! So Jesus himself pointed to the works he did!

We are to always focus on Jesus! But we do not have to ignore one to embrace the other!

 

[DHK]

No, the problem for your view is lack of faith in the Word of God!

This is a false accusation, as he does have faith in God's word, not just your interpretation. In fact the tables need to be turned here. You don't have faith in the Word of God, just claim to have faith in the Word of God. The rest is hypocrisy.
Demonstrate the gift of miracles if it is for today.
Demonstrate the gift of healing if it is for today.
Since you can't do it you really should be quiet about.
You don't have the faith you claim to have, only the hypocrisy to claim it.

Well, I guess those apostles that could not cast the demon out of a boy are false apostles because of their faliure!

Yes they did fail didn't they. In the KJV, Jesus said, "This kind comes forth only by prayer and fasting."

Look show me in scriptures where they have ceased...don't show me why you are in unbelief! Because without scriptures you are only showing me your opinion and your verifying you unbelief because you do not SEE it or READ about it today!

In 1Cor.13:8 it says they have ceased.
But what is the use. You don't believe the Bible anyway. Isn't that correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, Jesus healed all that came to him!

Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure! I do not think that any of us have the Holy Spirit without measure, not even the apostles! But the Bible does show Many healings after the day of Pentecost!

I do not find this in scripture!

Ever wonder why he warned us about false prophets etc.? Why didn't he say there are no more prophets after such and such time so anyone claiming to be one deny them? But he did not say that...Therefore my conclusion is that the warning is because the real are here too!



I did not or am I now looking for signs and wonders! I am discussing the Bible and what the Bible says concerning these things!

..and if I recall even Jesus told someone that if you do not believe me "then believe the works that I do"...not sure where that is! So Jesus himself pointed to the works he did!

We are to always focus on Jesus! But we do not have to ignore one to embrace the other!

Do you think God HAS to heal, or do a sign, or give tongues if you have enough faith?

paul could not heal his throne in the flesh, nor Timothy stomach ailments, right?

can't use the excuse that timothy was away from him and paul could not lay hands on him, for jesus healed Centurians servant and he was in another house away from him!

Again, either the gift ceased atend of the Apsotolic Age even for paul, or else he had a lack of faith?

 

[Thomas Helwys]

And you want to prove they are out of context by throwing in your own interpretation! Not by other scriptures!

I don't have to include other scriptures because all other scripture refutes your interpretation of the three passages in question.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Well, what you fail to understand that the disciples were not saved on the Day of Pentecost they were empowered. I have addressed all that in this thread.

THe partial gospel is very important...Salvation is very important! But what most denominations leave out and do not teach their people is the power to live out that salvation...which is the Holy Spirit!

That is a lie. All denominations believe and teach the Holy Spirit, the Biblical doctrine of the HS, that is - that the baptism of the HS comes at conversion, indwells the believer, and empowers him/her with gifts for service, and produces the fruits of the Spirit.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

So what! That is not the gift of healing. That is an answer to prayer.
The gift of healing is demonstrated by Peter in Acts 5:16 when thousands come to be healed.
I have seen people healed in my ministry also. But I don't claim to have the gift of healing. That is ludicrous. No one has ever witnessed what Peter did in Acts 5:16. He healed all that came to him, broken arms, the lame, blind, deaf, mute, crippled, lepers, etc., no one excluded--everyone!

Anyone with the true gift of healing and an ounce of compassion would go into such a traumatic place as the ER and heal the people there. Or they would go into the palliative care wing of the hospital, the ICU (intensive Care). But you Charismatic are emotionless, heartless beings who claim the power of God but deny it in the same breath.

That is a lie. Jesus healed all that came to him. He never denied anyone.

You just contradicted yourself. He healed all who came to him. He couldn't avoid the crowds. He didn't have to search for people.

He healed all that came to him.

Thousands come to faith healers like Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and others. They claim to have the power to heal, but they can't. Hinn has never healed anyone though he has claimed to heal many. He is like you, a hypocrite.

Jesus healed ten lepers. Only one came back to thank him. The others went on their merry way, still ungrateful, still unthankful. Healing doesn't depend on the faith of the one being healed, but rather on the one doing the healing. Jesus healed the unsaved. Blame the person being healed of not having enough faith and that makes you a cruel evil person.

So true, and I saw an instance of this in one of the charismatic churches I visited. Essentially, one of their members died of a terminal disease, and they blamed this person for dying due to lack of faith in being healed!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

A prime example of charismatic deceit and fraud is Morris Cerullo. Note especially what happened in India:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Cerullo

David, son of Morris, hosts a program on the Cerullos' Inspiration Network where Mike Murdock is a fixture, with his sheep-fleecing message of planting a $1000 seed and getting back a thousand-fold.

 

[awaken]

But what is the use. You don't believe the Bible anyway. Isn't that correct?

Speaking of false accusations??????

 

[awaken]

Do you think God HAS to heal, or do a sign, or give tongues if you have enough faith?

God does not HAVE TO DO anything!

paul could not heal his throne in the flesh, nor Timothy stomach ailments, right?

I have addressed this already in another thread! His thorn in the flesh was not an illness!

can't use the excuse that timothy was away from him and paul could not lay hands on him, for jesus healed Centurians servant and he was in another house away from him!

I explained this on another post!

Again, either the gift ceased atend of the Apsotolic Age even for paul, or else he had a lack of faith?

How did you come up with that assumption?

 

[awaken]

I don't have to include other scriptures because all other scripture refutes your interpretation of the three passages in question.

So lets everyone believe Thomas interpretation!

 

[awaken]

That is a lie. All denominations believe and teach the Holy Spirit, the Biblical doctrine of the HS, that is - that the baptism of the HS comes at conversion, indwells the believer, and empowers him/her with gifts for service, and produces the fruits of the Spirit.

And So how do you teach the gifts for service? Because in the Baptist churches that I grew up in left that bit of information out.

 

[awaken]

A prime example of charismatic deceit and fraud is Morris Cerullo. Note especially what happened in India:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Cerullo

David, son of Morris, hosts a program on the Cerullos' Inspiration Network where Mike Murdock is a fixture, with his sheep-fleecing message of planting a $1000 seed and getting back a thousand-fold.

....and you continue to prove the real away by pointing out the false????

 

[DHK]

....and you continue to prove the real away by pointing out the false????

No. This is the truth of the Charismatic movement.
Look at your own statements.
"You can't take away from my experiences."
But experiences do not trump the Word of God. Here is Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, etc. with their "experiences." Don't take away from their experiences, they will tell you.
One popular talk show host prayed, "Oh, God, Deliver us from doctrine."
Doctrine is sacrificed on the altar of unity. Experience has become of prime importance. It also is more important than the Bible.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

So lets everyone believe Thomas interpretation!

No, the conclusion of the overwhelming majority of Christendom for hundreds of years.

The Pentecostal doctrine of a separate HS baptism after conversion was unknown prior to 113 years ago.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

....and you continue to prove the real away by pointing out the false????

And you continue to be unable to provide one instance of "the real".

 

[awaken]

No. This is the truth of the Charismatic movement.
Look at your own statements.
"You can't take away from my experiences."
But experiences do not trump the Word of God. Here is Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, etc. with their "experiences." Don't take away from their experiences, they will tell you.
One popular talk show host prayed, "Oh, God, Deliver us from doctrine."
Doctrine is sacrificed on the altar of unity. Experience has become of prime importance. It also is more important than the Bible.

Well, I can relate to the OP....that was my experience! I was not taught the whole truth! I was taught as you are trying to teach others here! To deny the manifestation of the HOly Spirit!
When I was taught the truth concerning this...I embrace that truth by faith! Now again I am asking you to stay off my personal walk and debate scriptures! I have noticed those that can not debate scriptures always attack the persons walk or character!

 

[awaken]

No, the conclusion of the overwhelming majority of Christendom for hundreds of years.

The Pentecostal doctrine of a separate HS baptism after conversion was unknown prior to 113 years ago.

Well, Maybe Christianity should not have taught the manifestations of the Spirit away and we would have seen more through history!

 

[awaken]

And you continue to be unable to provide one instance of "the real".

Sorry that you hang around the crowd that does not believe in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit! But I experience it every Sunday and Wednesday! ....Sometimes a word of knowledge or wisdom, or praying in the spirit outside the church! Oh yes! and did I mention dreams and visions...but that is another thread!

 

[Yeshua1]

Well, Maybe Christianity should not have taught the manifestations of the Spirit away and we would have seen more through history!

so the Soveregn Lord, knowing that satan and unbelief got into his church here on earth, let it go for 1900 yeras, and waited uptil 1905 torestore the church back to what he originally intended for it to be?

Did satan keep him from doing that all those years, did our unbelief, how was the lord not able to keep his church from falling down?