Featured Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

By one person's testimony??
No.
I grant you the world.

Show me any person in all the world that can demonstrate the gift of miracles, the gift of healing, the gift of Biblical languages. Where are they.

Do you think there is a person alive that can walk into a hospital and just with the touch of his hand heal all that are in the hospital, or even the ER room. Not a chance! No one today has that wonderful gift of healing that Peter had.

 

The point, which you seem to be unable to grasp, is that the experience of missionaries on the mission field prove that there is no "real" in this matter. 99%-plus of tongues-talk is not real language but merely gibberish and vain babblings of deceived and deluded people. I will say that I have heard a couple of instances of what I thought were possibly real languages, but I couldn't prove it.

You continually say that I said something which I did not. This can be clearly seen by anyone who can read.

 

I don't have a theory. What I posted are the facts, none of which contradict any scripture. What you did not do was keep anything in context! You ignored context, which is the only way you can believe as you do because the relevant passages taken in their context absolutely refute the conjecture and doctrine of a HS baptism apart from conversion.

You take three instances, the only three, and ignore the context to try and prove that these three instances prove your baseless conjecture that there is a HS baptism separate from, apart from, and subsequent to conversion. You do as all charismatics do: Take a passage or two, completely ignore the context, and use it as the false basis of an entire doctrinal system and even denomination. Utter foolishness!

 

But there are not dozens to base your false conjecture on, there are only three passages, each of which you have jerked out of context. In each instance, the HS was delayed being given because of a unique circumstance applicable only to that situation which could not and never was repeated.

Now, as for the gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians, I, unlike DHK, believe all these may be in use today, but legitimate instances of the tongues gift are very rare, as the mission field proves. Certainly tongues are not the evidence of HS baptism, and this baptism does not occur apart from conversion, not since the unique instances in Acts which are unrepeatable due to those circumstances being unrepeatable. What goes on with tongues-talk in Pentecostal and Charismatic churches is not tongues as a real language. It is merely gibberish.

Thus, there is no HS baptism apart from conversion since the Gospel was first received by Gentiles, and tongues are not evidence of HS baptism. Rather, the fruit of the Spirit is.

Charismania is false doctrine which is only 113 years old. It was invented by Charles Parham and William J. Seymour. It has produced spiritual arrogance and divisiveness in the church. Look at all the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches that have been set up to separate their adherents who have received the "full gospel" from all those poor second-class Christians who only have a partial gospel. Disgusting. I don't know how the Christian church, only having a partial gospel, survived for 1900 years until the "full gospel" could be restored.

 

So what! That is not the gift of healing. That is an answer to prayer.
The gift of healing is demonstrated by Peter in Acts 5:16 when thousands come to be healed.
I have seen people healed in my ministry also. But I don't claim to have the gift of healing. That is ludicrous. No one has ever witnessed what Peter did in Acts 5:16. He healed all that came to him, broken arms, the lame, blind, deaf, mute, crippled, lepers, etc., no one excluded--everyone!

Anyone with the true gift of healing and an ounce of compassion would go into such a traumatic place as the ER and heal the people there. Or they would go into the palliative care wing of the hospital, the ICU (intensive Care). But you Charismatic are emotionless, heartless beings who claim the power of God but deny it in the same breath.

That is a lie. Jesus healed all that came to him. He never denied anyone.

You just contradicted yourself. He healed all who came to him. He couldn't avoid the crowds. He didn't have to search for people.

He healed all that came to him.

Thousands come to faith healers like Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and others. They claim to have the power to heal, but they can't. Hinn has never healed anyone though he has claimed to heal many. He is like you, a hypocrite.

Jesus healed ten lepers. Only one came back to thank him. The others went on their merry way, still ungrateful, still unthankful. Healing doesn't depend on the faith of the one being healed, but rather on the one doing the healing. Jesus healed the unsaved. Blame the person being healed of not having enough faith and that makes you a cruel evil person.

 

All anecdotal; nothing that can be verified. This whole world would know if thousands or even hundreds were actually being healed--broken arms, crippled, blind, deaf, mute, lepers, etc. It doesn't happen. Sure, they get healed of their stomach aches, colds, flus, ear aches, etc. The body heals itself.
Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one. (thousands)

Perhaps he didn't have a hospital to enter into? Duh.
The equivalent was the ten lepers.

Show me where Jesus denied anyone who came to him from being healed.

I never said he did. The whole world obviously wasn't healed. But he didn't turn away those "that didn't have faith." He didn't blame them "for not having faith," as silly and cruel Charismatics do today.

He healed the lepers that came to him. There were no leper colonies. Do your history. The lepers wandered "outside the camp." They were ordered to tell people when they approached. "Unclean, unclean." How do you think that ten lepers were able to get close to Jesus at all? Leper colonies were invented afterwards.

Yes, I have that authority. I have studied it out. The CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) took a team of doctors, journalists, and some others and followed Benny Hinn on one of his world tours. They interviewed some on every place that he stopped and supposedly healed. They asked for their personal stories, why they came, what kind of sickness they had, if they thought that Benn Hinn could and did heal them. Then a year later they went and sought out the same people. Not one was healed. Not a single person in all the crusades that he held in that entire world tour.
So it is with all the so-called faith healers of today. They are money-making frauds that have no power to heal at all. No one does. The gift of healing has ceased.

That doesn't mean they were saved. The nine lepers may have believed that Jesus had the power to heal. That was a selfish belief. They didn't trust him, neither were they thankful. It was not their faith that healed them. It never is. It is Christ that heals not a person's faith. But the Charismatics have it backwards. If they fail they blame it on the sick person instead of taking responsibility for their own failures.

 

why has there NEVER been documented and verified ANY who had the gift to heal/do miracles/to be able to prophesing in the church since Apostle john died?

1900 years of silence...

was the Church in total unbelief all that time, and God finally restored the NT gifts back in 1905 to the church?

 

They would come to him unless they had faith he could heal them! It is that simple!!

You use your demeaning remarks to avoid the simplicity in what was stated! He did not heal ALL while he walked on earth! ONLY those that came to Him! Only the ones that had faith in him to heal! Show me one that did not have faith when he healed them!

So again you are going to disprove what the Bible says because you believe the fake!

They still had faith! THey had to believe that he would heal them are they would not have gone to him!
Are you saying you wanting salvation is not somewhat selfish?
So you are saying that our faith has nothing to do with our salvation?????[/QUOTE]

Why is it jesus healed ALL that came to him , but there are NONE today that can claim One, much less all were healed?

 

the scriptures are there, but one MUST apply sound bible interpreting rules and principles to see the truth concerning them, NOT filter them all thru "Charasmatic chaos!"

 

the scriptures are there, but one MUST apply sound bible interpreting rules and principles to see the truth concerning them, NOT filter them all thru "Charasmatic chaos!"

Again,
why has there NEVER been documented and verified ANY who had the gift to heal/do miracles/to be able to prophesing in the church since Apostle john died?

1900 years of silence...

was the Church in total unbelief all that time, and God finally restored the NT gifts back in 1905 to the church?

 

do you know of ANY historical person in the church since the Apsotles that had 100 % healings done for all they preyed over/ that did signs and wonders that were verified by the facts, not second hand here say?

THE only ones you might use would be those that the RCC said were real saints, as think they had to have 3 verified healings!

The big probem for your view is that the bible expects 100 % accuracy in prophet, and same for one caliming Apsotolic healing/signs/wonders gifting!
Not done once in a great while!