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  1. awaken

    awaken Active Member

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    It is the Holy Spirit manifesting himself through believers!

    Can you have the gift of faith without the Holy Spirit?
    Can you give a word of wisdom without the Holy Spirit?
    Can you give a word of knowledge without the HOly Spirit?
    Can you lay hands on anyone one and they are healed without the Holy Spirit?
    Can you work a miracle without the Holy Spirit?
    Can you prophesy without the Holy Spirit?
    Can you speak in tongues or interpret without the Holy Spirit?

    NO!!! It is the Holy Spirit manifesting himself through believers!
     
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  2. awaken

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    1 Corinthians listed them so they were manifested in that church! Paul was just correcting order!

    No, they were not ceasing! Hebrews does not prove they did or were!
    He confirmed His Word...and still does through signs and wonders!
     
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    Maybe you need to dig a little deeper in history!
    But my proof is in the scriptures!
     
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    Both 1 Cor. 1:4-8 and 1 Cor. 13:8-14 teach that the gifts of the Spirit and the supernatural works of God will continue until the second coming of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is God's promise to every believer (Acts 2:38-39).

    The miracle at Pentecost does not need repeating. Yet its promise is mine. Down to this very age, the Holy Spirit's benefits are available to you and me.

    Nowhere does it say to ignore the book of Acts for teachng! Timothy says that ALL scripture is given for profitable doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness.

    Galatians 3:1-5 Paul encouraged the Galatian Christians not to forsake the power of the Holy Spirit for the works of their flesh.

    Today most people have elevated their fleshly theories above the Scripture.

    Rom. 11:29 says that the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable! God does not go back on his promises!

    Most people go to church and do not believe half of what they hear! Cessationism is an excuse for the church's lack of power and the absence of Jesus presence.

    Paul teaches that each gift has a crucial place in the body. Today's cessationist would mutilate the body of Chirst by cutting off the supernatural gifts.

    God wants truth and Spirit! This is a powerful unity!
     
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    You have shown nothing because your definition of the "manifestation of the Holy Spirit" is faulty; therefore, false premise results in false outcome, equals nothing.
     
    #265 Thomas Helwys, Apr 26, 2013
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    Whoever "explained" them to you was as wrong as you are now, believing and spreading error, with absolutely no comprehension of the context and meaning, blind leaders of the blind.
     
    #266 Thomas Helwys, Apr 26, 2013
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    And of course - Eph 4:6-13 points out the fact that the 1Cor 12 spiritual gifts are intended to be with the church through to the 2nd coming.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  8. awaken

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    Not to mention 1 Cor. 13 when we see face to face and know as we are known.
    Also 1 Cor. 1:7-8 is "So that you come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."
     
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  9. awaken

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    Your understanding is faulty! It is simple!

    "Now to each one the manifestationof the Spirit is given for the common good" (1 Cor. 12:7)

    Manifestation is a translation of the Greek word phanerosis, which means "a manifestation, a making visible or observable." A manifestation is detectable by the five senses. We experience manifestations all the time. Electric energy in a light bulb is manifested in the form of light and heat. A manifestation of chicken pox is a rash with small pimple-like sores. We can not see the virus, but we can see the manifestation of the disease.

    The Holy Spirit is manifested in the 9 gifts of the spirit through a believer. (In context of chapter 12 of Corinthians)
     
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    Well the readers can decide for themselves as I did...or they can ignore it and stick with their man-made theology as you have!
     
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  11. Yeshua1

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    god gave to the Apostolic witness the gifts to do signs and wonders and healings , and gavetongues/interpreting to let God speak to the church thru that during the transistion phase of the new church...

    We have NONE of that for today!
     
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    the writer of hebrews, under the inspiration of the HS, informed us that the Apsotle already had confirmed to us the truths concerning jesus/Gospel, so why would he basically deny the truth of what was recorded to have"revealtion truths" to the Charasmatic Movement?
     
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    Interesting that the HS has been able to do revivals in wales, england, America, greatAwaking, reformation, without any of those 'manifestations!"

    How do you expalin him able to do that before the 1905 Charasmatic Renerwl movement?
     
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    Whose theology is man-made?
    You have given the word "manifestation" some mystical existential meaning that doesn't exist.

    Here is the CEV translation of 1Cor.12:7 without the word "manifestation" in it:

    1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.

    Obviously it doesn't mean what you think.
    The Holy Spirit gives to each person in the church different ways of serving him. And that is not necessarily with the supernatural sign gifts that are mentioned there. It may be the sacrificial gift of service where one offers to clean the bathrooms of the church building as well as the kitchen, and do the work that no one else wants to do. There is nothing supernatural about that. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were in general supernatural. They have ceased.

    You don't have the gift of languages. If you did, you would be able to tell us what languages you speak in. Speaking in gibberish is not a language. It is foolhardy nonsense which comes from a source other than God.
     
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    the Bible states something plainly, yet Charasmatics take the "utternaces" and run with the interpratations given them!

    they state"we hold to the bible", yet just like the SDA/RCC here, they really hold to experiences and extra biblical 'revelation" from God!
     
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    You might want to dig a little deeper into your study of those revivals!
     
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    So you give more credit to the person than you do the Holy Spirit! Only the Holy Spirit can manifest the way 1 Cor. 12 says!

    THe promise to the believers have not ceased!
     
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    Why don;t you "enlighten" me!

    were you going to claim they were all done under Charasmatic manifestations?
     
    #278 Yeshua1, Apr 26, 2013
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    I will share with you...Just have to dig up my notes on it! And of course my documented reference so you will accept it!
    But this thread is on proving it in the scriptures!
     
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    I'll do it for you.
    http://www.wayoflife.org/database/strangehistory.html

    Modern day tongues movement had its beginnings here, in the occult.
    But you probably won't believe that either. Your entire theology is based on what you have experienced.
    "You can't take away what I have experienced," you say. No I can't, even if it is from the devil himself, I can't take it away. But you need to recognize its source. It is not of God. You can tell that because you know that it is not a real language. You don't know what you speak. As the Bible tells you: "your mind is useless." God doesn't bless "useless minds."
     
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