Have the "gifts of the spirit" ceased?

[music4Him]

Originally posted by atestring:
Those that believe that tongues have ceased because the canon is complete need to remember that Tongues are in the Bible and therefore part of the Canon.

That makes since to me. I haven't seen it proven other wise fron the Word of God. Those are gift of the Spirit.To say the gifts have ceased....wouldn't that would be like saying the Spirit ceased, because they are the gifts of the Spirit? (1Cor 12:4-6)

1Cor.12:7~ But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Music4Him

 

[music4Him]

Originally posted by Walguy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />That is true we don't all have the same gift or work in all of the gifts at one time all the time. But one gift of the Spirit is (or should be, if its not wrong for me saying) constant in every Christian and thats the gift of faith. 1Cor.12:9. We've gotta have faith.

Your heart is in the right place, but you are making the common error of not understanding what a Spiritual Gift is. All of us have faith, but we do NOT all have the Gift of Faith. Spiritual Gifts are special empowerments given to individual believers to aid in their specific ministries to the Church and the world. We receive these when we are first saved and receive the Holy Spirit (which is NOT evidenced by speaking in Tongues, btw, but that's another topic). The Gift of Faith is a special ability to keep oneself and others around him/her focused on and trusting in God, even in very hard times. It's something beyond the general faith we all have, and as is the case with each individual gift, only a small percentage of all believers have it.
I don't mean to pick on you, but it's pointless to have a discussion on Spiritual Gifts if we don't all understand exactly what they are and are not.
God's peace be with you!

</font>[/QUOTE]Hello.....and thank you because you made my day!Yes faith has been dealt to every man a measure (Rom.12:3)(its up to the man to use his faith just as it would be with all the gift of the Spirit if the man chooses). Heres another scripture (John 3:34) is that the same Spirit talked about in 1Cor 12?

The Gift of Faith is a special ability to keep oneself and others around him/her focused on and trusting in God, even in very hard times.
Well if thats your measuring stick

....then I can say I must have the 1Cor.12:9 gift of the Spirit faith then! God is good!

All the time!

Music4Him

 

[Rosell]

Actually, whenever I've seen the gift of tongues and interpretation practiced, it has been done according to scripture. Two or three have spoken, two or three interpreted and the messages were for the edification of the body of Christ that was gathered together at that particular moment. Having also been able to see the blessings that have been brought into the life of the church as a result, I have to conclude that it is from God.

Having been in Charismatic/Pentecostal services where the "tongues" have been a free for all during the prayer and altar call, along with a lot of people becoming "slain in the spirit", laughing uncontrollably and literally imitating animals, none of which is scriptural, I would have to conclude that the experiences I've seen that are in line with scriptural descriptions are real and of the Spirit, and that these gifts have not ceased.

 

[music4Him]

Amen Rosell~

I too have seen that sometimes happen and things get out there in left field too. I have never seen the animal imitating though. I have been filled with joy over flowing several times, this I wouldn't say has anything to do with speaking in tongues, but possible depression/oppresion being lifted off someone? (Anyone know if this is right?) A merry heart doeth good like a medicine ya know, but you are right that tongues need be done in line with what the scripture says.

So I stick with what the Word says.

Music4Him

 

[Trotter]

I would have to conclude that the experiences I've seen that are in line with scriptural descriptions are real and of the Spirit, and that these gifts have not ceased.

The key word in basically every debate about spiritual gifts...EXPERIENCE.

The problem is that experience is not measurable, against Scripture, against other experiences, anything.

It is not my place to say what is still active and what isn't, but I do want to leave this to think about: How many do you know immediately received anything akin to what is described in the bible as spiritual gifts at conversion? (Excluding 'tongues' since anyone can, and most do, fake them )

The gifts of the Spirit are that, gifts. Not what you could do beforehand. How many of these do we see now? I think that the post that spoke of us as being too self-sufficient to allow God to move was right on the money.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[Briguy]

Thanks Walguy, that was a very clear working of the Biblical teaching of Spiritual gifts. I have never seen a person arguing for Tongues or the Gift of Healing write anything that direct or clear. The reason being is that they are taking verses to prove their already established beliefs and not looking at what the Bible really says. When I studied Tongues, after being saved I had no feeling or belief either way. I started looking at it blindly so-to-speak and came to my conclusions based solely on what the Bible says. Not to say i didn't read commontaries or speak with other believers because I did. The person who lead me to Christ believed in Tongues, he didn't speak in them but believed they were a legitimate gift. Anyway, clearly, the Bible says what it says. Tongues were a sign that pointed to something and when that something came, in 70ad they faded away as Paul said they would. Healing and Miracles as gifts were to give the early church authority to preach. The church is established, God's word is complete and is now the authority by which we share the gospel, so healing and miracles as gifts have ceased. It is clear for those who take the time to study this. All other service gifts remain and are being used today to strengthen and grow the "body", locally and globally.

atestring, I don't think anyone here believes tongues ended when the Bible was complete, they ended before that when the people given the gift before 70ad died. You should have read Walguys post and you would have seen that he just answered what you said. DHK believes all the other gifts ended with the completion of the Bible. Walguy and I do not, though I respect DHK's view.

How about a direct refuting of Walguy's posts using scripture, not experience, to back your claim?

Johnv, If no one was present who spoke only the language that the tongue speaker was speaking in, then you did not see biblical tongues. The Bible only teaches that tongues are real languages and are needed for one to converse with someone who speaks a different language. It was very miraculous to speak fluently, in conversation, in a language you didn't know.

In Love and Truth,
Brian

 

[music4Him]

I don't know why but the 70 A.D. argument seems so "full preterist" to me.
If it is that tongues were a sign for the unbelivers and it ened when "when it was pointing to that something and when it came in" (please clairify this "something" that you mentioned?) they faded out. This just don't make since. Has the gospel been preached all around the world? If not wouldn't we still need tongues and preachers, because of the unbelivers. What scriptures back up not needing the gift of tongues.


Music4Him

 

[Briguy]

M4H, read Isaiah 28, that Paul references in 1 corinthians 14 and you will see that the foreign tongues were how God spoke to His people but they did not listen and were judged and scattered. When the scattering happened and Isreal lost her land, the sign pointing to that happening is no longer needed. Just like a "curve ahead" sign is not put after the curve.
Take care and have a great weekend,
In Christ,
Brian

 

[music4Him]

Walguy said:
As a postscript, some believe that ALL the gifts ceased when the Bible was completed, but the I Corinthians 13 passage which they use as the proof text actually contradicts that idea too, as we have seen. In addition, 'the perfect' cannot refer merely to the completion of the Bible, because Paul goes on to tie our own understanding of God's truth to 'the perfect' in this context. The Bible is indeed perfect in itself, but obviously our understanding of it isn't, or we wouldn't be having all these theological arguments. We would all perfectly understand, and perfectly agree on everything. Unfortunately, even with a perfect Bible we are FAR from the perfect understanding Paul wrote of in verse 12. We are still seeing in a mirror dimly, and knowing only in part. Only when God's perfect eternal Kingdom finally arrives, and all believers have been given their eternal perfect bodies, will this passage be fulfilled.

I am one of those who belive that when Jesus comes agian and the eternal kingdom is here then everything will be perfect because we will be perfect in all understanding and knowledge. Until that day it seems that the gifts are still for today...the last days (as Paul was living and as we are living in today)

BTW, (becuse someone will probley ask it) I have no idea why not "all" who go to a faith healer are healed? I would just love to hear one preach the salvation message along with the message on healing and teach the people who really does the healing (i.e. God). I read post after post and see someone type in "Peter healed all who came to him" then in the next breath they will say God is the healer (indeed He is). I think theres also another problem that people have when going to a faith healer...and thats confusion.... because they belive its the faith healer that does the actual healing.

But the good news is that we have the bible now, and we have the knowledge to read it, and understand the part we read with the help of the Holy Ghost (of whom Jesus said he would send in the book of John).

Music4Him

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by music4Him:

BTW, (becuse someone will probley ask it) I have no idea why not "all" who go to a faith healer are healed? I would just love to hear one preach the salvation message along with the message on healing and teach the people who really does the healing (i.e. God). I read post after post and see someone type in "Peter healed all who came to him" then in the next breath they will say God is the healer (indeed He is). I think theres also another problem that people have when going to a faith healer...and thats confusion.... because they belive its the faith healer that does the actual healing.

Your problem is that you don't want to reconcile Apostolic times with modern day times. You are not ready to admit that The Book of The Acts of The Apostles, is just what it says--the Acts of the Apostles--not the Acts of Benny Hinn, Paul and Jan Crouch, Morris Cerullo, Music4Him, Tambourine Lady, or any other person living in this century. They are a record of the Acts of the Apostles. And thus we read:

Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Note the conditions:
1. There were multitudes--meaning many, many people.
2. Out of the cities (plural) round about Jerusalem.
3. The were bringing both sick and demon possessed people.
4. Every one of them (that means ALL of them) were healed.

Can these conditions be duplicated today, by anyone living today? The answer is no.
Does the Lord work this way in any person alive today? The answer is no?
God does not work in this fashion today. Any honest person will readily admit this. This being so, we can safely say that the gift of healing has ceased.
That does not mean that God does not heal; it means that God does not give this spiritual gift to anyone today. It has ceased. It is no longer needed today. It is not God's will for everyone to be healed.
The Bible says "we wait for the redemption of our bodies."
DHK

 

[SeekingAfterHim]

Hi All!

I was reading here. and I'd like to put my toe in the water.

I am not really interested in fighting about this subject. or arguing the subject.

I only want to bring the Word and dispell some misinterpreting of the Bible by the Baptist's...

Okay... passage that is wrongly misinterpreted...

1 Corinthians 13:9-10
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Okay... first off. This version of the Bible is (KJV) is 393 Years old... Let's look at it in a version that's a bit more newer....:

For our knowledge is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect), and our prophecy (our teaching) is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect).But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superseded).

As you see, this verse is referring to our KNOWLEDGE of the Word... Now, there are those that Believe that the KJV Bible is a "perfect" Bible... this is very untrue... first of the KJV Bible isn't the Inspired Word of God, it's a Copy.. The Inspiried Word of God was the Original Scrolls. Which aren't even around anymore... all we have is copies of copies... So, to say the KJV is perfect is just plain stupid.

want proof? Go get your KJV Bible... a Large print version is preferred... any word that is in ITALICS was a word added by the KJV translators to make the passage make sense. So, much for your "perfect" Bible... Most of the Italic words, started out as margin notes. added by the translators. and once that original word became obsolete, they would add the word to the scripture. So much for your perfect word. Further more, the KJV's final editor was a flaming calvinist, which makes the KJV Bible a Calvinist Version. Not only that, the first guy to translate the KJV, was a catholic! So, it has a Catholic Slant as well! and one of Members of the KJV Translating committe was a Drunk! and further more, King James was a closet Homosexual! (There are books to support this!)

Click here for more info on the King James Bible's errors and a full reproof of the King James Only Doctrine

More on King James's issues

Another Biased opinion from a KJVO site...

Okay... Back to the gifts!

There are scriptures that are cited by the Baptist's that they "Claim" say the gifts died off... these are easily dispelled...

1 Corinthians 13:1-2 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Now, ANYONE who says that this is talking about anything else, than AGAPE Love is a biased Baptist who tries to make the Bible say things it's NOT saying, READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER, it's talking about LOVE. Not the gifts at all!

Further more, Paul goes on to say to the church of Corinth...:

I Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Notice He says, Forbid not???? Why would he say that, if it were going to die off and why would we have in cannonized Scripture???

Okay, Now before anyone accuses me of not playing by the rules and taking something outta context...:

1 Corinthians 14
1EAGERLY PURSUE and seek to acquire [this] love [make it your aim, your great quest]; and earnestly desire and cultivate the spiritual endowments (gifts), especially that you may prophesy ([1] interpret the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching).
2For one who speaks in an [unknown] tongue speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands or catches his meaning, because in the [Holy] Spirit he utters secret truths and hidden things [not obvious to the understanding].
3But [on the other hand], the one who prophesies [who [2] interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for their upbuilding and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation.
4He who speaks in a [strange] tongue edifies and improves himself, but he who prophesies [[3] interpreting the divine will and purpose and teaching with inspiration] edifies and improves the church and promotes growth [in Christian wisdom, piety, holiness, and happiness].
5Now I wish that you might all speak in [unknown] tongues, but more especially [I want you] to prophesy (to be inspired to preach and interpret the divine will and purpose). He who prophesies [who is inspired to preach and teach] is greater (more useful and more important) than he who speaks in [unknown] tongues, unless he should interpret [what he says], so that the church may be edified and receive good [from it].
6Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in [unknown] tongues, how shall I make it to your advantage unless I speak to you either in revelation (disclosure of God's will to man) in knowledge or in prophecy or in instruction?
7If even inanimate musical instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone [listening] know or understand what is played?
8And if the war bugle gives an uncertain (indistinct) call, who will prepare for battle?
9Just so it is with you; if you in the [unknown] tongue speak words that are not intelligible, how will anyone understand what you are saying? For you will be talking into empty space!
10There are, I suppose, all these many [to us unknown] tongues in the world [somewhere], and none is destitute of [its own power of] expression and meaning.
11But if I do not know the force and significance of the speech (language), I shall seem to be a foreigner to the one who speaks [to me], and the speaker who addresses [me] will seem a foreigner to me.
12So it is with yourselves; since you are so eager and ambitious to possess spiritual endowments and manifestations of the [Holy] Spirit, [concentrate on] striving to excel and to abound [in them] in ways that will build up the church.
13Therefore, the person who speaks in an [unknown] tongue should pray [for the power] to interpret and explain what he says.
14For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit [by the [4] Holy Spirit within me] prays, but my mind is unproductive [it bears no fruit and helps nobody].
15Then what am I to do? I will pray with my spirit [by the [5] Holy Spirit that is within me], but I will also pray [intelligently] with my mind and understanding; I will sing with my spirit [by the Holy Spirit that is within me], but I will sing [intelligently] with my mind and understanding also.
16Otherwise, if you bless and render thanks with [your] spirit [[6] thoroughly aroused by the Holy Spirit], how can anyone in the position of an outsider or he who is not gifted with [interpreting of unknown] tongues, say the Amen to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? [I Chron. 16:36; Ps. 106:48.]
17To be sure, you may give thanks well (nobly), but the bystander is not edified [it does him no good].
18I thank God that I speak in [strange] tongues (languages) more than any of you or all of you put together;
19Nevertheless, in public worship, I would rather say five words with my understanding and intelligently in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a [strange] tongue (language).
20Brethren, do not be children [immature] in your thinking; continue to be babes in [matters of] evil, but in your minds be mature [men].
21It is written in the Law, By men of strange languages and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and not even then will they listen to Me, says the Lord.(1)
22Thus [unknown] tongues are meant for a [supernatural] sign, not for believers but for unbelievers [on the point of believing], while prophecy (inspired preaching and teaching, interpreting the divine will and purpose) is not for unbelievers [on the point of believing] but for believers.
23Therefore, if the whole church assembles and all of you speak in [unknown] tongues, and the ungifted and uninitiated or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are demented?
24But if all prophesy [giving inspired testimony and interpreting the divine will and purpose] and an unbeliever or untaught outsider comes in, he is told of his sin and reproved and convicted and convinced by all, and his defects and needs are examined (estimated, determined) and he is called to account by all,
25The secrets of his heart are laid bare; and so, falling on [his] face, he will worship God, declaring that God is among you in very truth.
26What then, brethren, is [the right course]? When you meet together, each one has a hymn, a teaching, a disclosure of special knowledge or information, an utterance in a [strange] tongue, or an interpretation of it. [But] let everything be constructive and edifying and for the good of all.
27If some speak in a [strange] tongue, let the number be limited to two or at the most three, and each one [taking his] turn, and let one interpret and explain [what is said].
28But if there is no one to do the interpreting, let each of them keep still in church and talk to himself and to God.
29So let two or three prophets speak [those inspired to preach or teach], while the rest pay attention and weigh and discern what is said.
30But if an inspired revelation comes to another who is sitting by, then let the first one be silent.
31For in this way you can give testimony [prophesying and thus interpreting the divine will and purpose] one by one, so that all may be instructed and all may be stimulated and encouraged;
32For the spirits of the prophets (the speakers in tongues) are under the speaker's control [and subject to being silenced as may be necessary],
33For He [Who is the source of their prophesying] is not a God of confusion and disorder but of peace and order. As [is the practice] in all the churches of the saints (God's people),
34The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.(2)
35But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [[7] for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church].
36What! Did the word of the Lord originate with you [Corinthians], or has it reached only you?
37If anyone thinks and claims that he is a prophet [filled with and governed by the Holy Spirit of God and inspired to interpret the divine will and purpose in preaching or teaching] or has any other spiritual endowment, let him understand (recognize and acknowledge) that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord.
38But if anyone disregards or does not recognize [[8] that it is a command of the Lord], he is disregarded and not recognized [he is [9] one whom God knows not].
39So [to conclude], my brethren, earnestly desire and set your hearts on prophesying (on being inspired to preach and teach and to interpret God's will and purpose), and do not forbid or hinder speaking in [unknown] tongues.
40But all things should be done with regard to decency and propriety and in an orderly fashion.

Now, I ask you this... Here we have written instruction as to how were supposed to use the gifts... I ask you Baptist's WHY would God allow for this to become Cannonized Scripture, if it wasn't for today? You all say the Bible is the Inspired Word of God, Yet the Baptist's Reject the very notion that the Gifts are in existance today! trouble is, there is NO Scripture in the word of God ANYWHERE! that proves this BEYOND A Shadow of a Doubt! None Whatsoever! All there is, is Speulation by MEN, No Word whatsoever...

Further more, if this was the case, why did Peter say....:?

Acts 2:39 - For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

I suppose Peter was only kidding, right?

Face it Baptist's... your doctrine is wrong... and it's been proven, time and time again...

Blessings...

SeekingAfterHim

[ May 22, 2004, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: SeekingAfterHim ]

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by SeekingAfterHim:
Hi All!

I was reading here. and I'd like to put my toe in the water.

I am not really interested in fighting about this subject. or arguing the subject.

I only want to bring the Word and dispell some misinterpreting of the Bible by the Baptist's...

~~~~~~~~~~

Face it Baptist's... your doctrine is wrong... and it's been proven, time and time again...

Blessings...

SeekingAfterHim

SeekingAfterHim, great post! Although, I'll have to say that not 'all' Baptists believe that the gifts have ceased...just a few.

MEE

&lt;-----Not a Baptist!

 

[SeekingAfterHim]

SeekingAfterHim, great post! Although, I'll have to say that not 'all' Baptists believe that the gifts have ceased...just a few.

Oh, I know this... although, the majority of them on this board do. and they're wrong.

 

[DHK]

34The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.(2)
35But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [[7] for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church].

Tongues are not for today. And the gift of tongues not only is not for today; it never was for women in the first century or in any century. They are not permitted to speak in the church at all--when it comes to tongues. If the churches kept just this one restriction, tongues would probably cease on their own.

21It is written in the Law, By men of strange languages and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and not even then will they listen to Me, says the Lord.(1)
22Thus [unknown] tongues are meant for a [supernatural] sign, not for believers but for unbelievers

Tongues are not for today. If they were there would be unbelieving Jews present in the church everytime they were spoken. The purpose for which tongues existed has been fulfilled. They were a sign to unbelieving Israel. The prophecy that Paul quotes in verse 21 is found in Isaiah 28. He is speaking about unbelieving Israel. Even though they will here tongues being spoken from the lips of other nations they still will not believe. That was the sign. Wherefore tongues was a sign to them that believe not--Israel. Does the nation of Israel attend your church?? Actually this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D., when judgement fell upon the Jews for their unbelief. Thus tongues have ceased. They have fulfilled their purpose. They are no longer needed.

I ask you Baptist's WHY would God allow for this to become Cannonized Scripture, if it wasn't for today?

Why would God allow Himself to speak to Moses through a burning bush, if burning bushes are not for today?? The burning bush has become Canonized Scripture too. For that matter so has the serpent speaking to Eve in the garden. Have you spoken to any serpents lately? History is history.
DHK

 

[SeekingAfterHim]

Tongues are not for today. And the gift of tongues not only is not for today; it never was for women in the first century or in any century. They are not permitted to speak in the church at all--when it comes to tongues. If the churches kept just this one restriction, tongues would probably cease on their own.

Do you have *ANY* SOLID scriptural PROOF of this?

No.

All you have is MEN's Speculation. No SOLID PROOF, Just mere Speculation. and that's it.

Tongues are not for today. If they were there would be unbelieving Jews present in the church everytime they were spoken. The purpose for which tongues existed has been fulfilled. They were a sign to unbelieving Israel. The prophecy that Paul quotes in verse 21 is found in Isaiah 28. He is speaking about unbelieving Israel. Even though they will here tongues being spoken from the lips of other nations they still will not believe. That was the sign. Wherefore tongues was a sign to them that believe not--Israel. Does the nation of Israel attend your church?? Actually this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D., when judgement fell upon the Jews for their unbelief. Thus tongues have ceased. They have fulfilled their purpose. They are no longer needed.

Again, More of MEN'S Opinion and NO SOLID Scriptural Proof Whatsoever to back it up, give it up DHK, because you ain't gonna win this one, bud, I've got you out talked, out scripturally proven, and plainly exposed.

Why would God allow Himself to speak to Moses through a burning bush, if burning bushes are not for today?? The burning bush has become Canonized Scripture too. For that matter so has the serpent speaking to Eve in the garden. Have you spoken to any serpents lately? History is history.

Ah, The Classic history cop out of the Baptist. again, I say, you all say the Bible is infallable, YET, you deny the word being totally for today.

again, I ASK for SOLID, SOLID, SOLID, SOLID PROOF THAT TONGUES CEASED... YOU CAN NOT GIVE ANY. YOU TRY AND TAKE SCRIPTURES OUT OF CONTEXT, BUT THE WORD IS FOR TODAY...

Try again DHK, Because you didn't sell any shoes here, babe.

-Seekingafterhim

 

[tamborine lady]

Seekingafterhim, that was amost concise post.

A big

and kudo's to you. But a word of warning, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

God Bless you and yours,

Tam,

 

[music4Him]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />34The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.(2)
35But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [[7] for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church].

Tongues are not for today. And the gift of tongues not only is not for today; it never was for women in the first century or in any century. They are not permitted to speak in the church at all--when it comes to tongues. If the churches kept just this one restriction, tongues would probably cease on their own.
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Have you ever read the rest of that passage?

1Corinthians 14:36-40 ~ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Paul is answering a letter about questions the people of Corinth was asking.
You know my stand on women in the church that are of God. They have freedom as any man of the church as long as they are knowlegeable of the things of God, because men and women do not question the preacher who understand word of God. So I would think that the women in question were unlearned in the word and how the order in church was to be observed.

BTW, if there is something I don't understand, I have the Holy Ghost to help me to understand.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

BTW, I would assume this scripture would be for the ladies too?
Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Women were and are allowed to pray and prophsey in church....
1 Corinthians 11:5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

....it is also clear in 1Cor. chapters 12-14 that women have spiritual gifts, and are encouraged to exercise them in the body of Christ.

Music4Him

 

[MEE]

SeekingAfterHim, would you mind sending me your e-mail address? I would like to ask you a private question.

Label the subject 'Baptist Board' so I'll know it's from you.

MEE

 

[SeekingAfterHim]

Originally posted by MEE:
SeekingAfterHim, would you mind sending me your e-mail address? I would like to ask you a private question.

Label the subject 'Baptist Board' so I'll know it's from you.

MEE

Done.

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by SeekingAfterHim:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MEE:
SeekingAfterHim, would you mind sending me your e-mail address? I would like to ask you a private question.

Label the subject 'Baptist Board' so I'll know it's from you.

MEE

Done. </font>[/QUOTE]I didn't get it!

MEE