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SeekingAfterHim
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Have the "gifts of the spirit" ceased?
- Thread starter Rosell
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On number 4 we must also remember that the Lord's Supper was abused. That doesn't mean that we should do away with the Lord's Supper.
If we throw out everything that has been abused we would be in trouble.
I am glad to hear you say that we should not attack individuals or denominations. There are a few people that are constantly slamming certain ministers and Denominations. I think it it is time for that to stop. Thanks for saying something Dr. Bob.
Originally posted by SeekingAfterHim:
Again, More speculation, and Scripture-less opinion from a Biased person who takes the word of God OUT of context and makes a doctrine out of it... and he's a moderator...what you gonna do Mr. Moderator, ban me for telling the truth about you... I'm suprised your a moderator of this section, this ain't a Baptist section. this is the "other religions" section, as you Biased Baptist's call it, why don't you find your self over in the Baptist sections where you Belong? We don't post in your sections, why should YOU be allowed to post in ours? What does everyone think?
SeekingAfterHim, I think you can 'kiss this board goodbye.' When 'HE' reads this, you will be dismissed.
You know what SAH, I really liked you too.
MEE
Yes, Dr Bob this is your opinion and I respect that, but in your opinion above and what us of the Spirit Filled denominations see (atleast I think this is what it is? I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.) The scripture in 1Cor.13:8-10,12 is the one that seems to show up and seems to be a pivotal point on the debate of Spiritual gifts. Does any one else see this? One group says that "No, that which is in part is come", saying its the written Word...while others say it is talking about the 2nd comming of Jesus. verse 8 says 3 things will vanish away 1.prophecies 2.tongues 3.knowledge....to me it seems like theres still quite a few smart ladies and gentlemen here that are knowledgable, the word tongues is plural so I take that as many/divers and it seems like we can still communicate.....that leaves prophecy, have all prophecies been fullfilled?
Music4Him
Dr. Bob Griffin, with all due respect, you have your opinion, but let's look at the facts!
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/New-Ch11.htm
As far as the Word of God/Bible being that which is perfect/complete, I believe that it is talking about the Bridegroom returning for His Bride, which is the rapture of "The Church" or the end of the Gentile dispensation.
MEE
MEE - you are "reading into" history your modern thinking. When someone from the early centuries is quoted as saying the "spiritual gifts" - you read modern glossalia, etc into it. Thtat is opinion.
The few instances of "tongues" that are recorded prior to the Azuza Street revival are by extreme heretical cults - sure you want to be identified with them?
The few instances of "tongues" that are recorded prior to the Azuza Street revival are by extreme heretical cults - sure you want to be identified with them?
BTW, "Other Religions" allows folks from every Christian religion to participate - as opposed to the Baptist only areas.
Baptist still post and debate. Sadly, SAH just showed some of the most vile and unchristian conduct I have ever seen on the BB. And we have had some lulus in the past.
If he was your friend, I trust you will be able to keep contact elsewhere!
Baptist still post and debate. Sadly, SAH just showed some of the most vile and unchristian conduct I have ever seen on the BB. And we have had some lulus in the past.
If he was your friend, I trust you will be able to keep contact elsewhere!
I am undecided about the "tongues" issue, myself.
In my opion, people deeply given over to emotion tend to "exhibit" this more than those who are more intellectual. (I am not saying one temperment is better than another)What I mean is: A person't tempermant seems to be the qualifier.
If speaking in tongues is still current, it is most rare.
In my opion, people deeply given over to emotion tend to "exhibit" this more than those who are more intellectual. (I am not saying one temperment is better than another)What I mean is: A person't tempermant seems to be the qualifier.
If speaking in tongues is still current, it is most rare.
Originally posted by tamborine lady:
Rosell,
Good to see there is another here that can rightly divide the Word of God!
No, the gifts have not ceased, they are still here and will be until the end.
But brace youself, there are those on the board that will argue UNTIL the end that the gifts are gone.
But praise God, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Working for Jesus,
Tam,
GeneMBridges
New Member
There ARE guidelines for tongues in the New Testament. Many in the modern charismatic movement are repeating the error of the Corinthian church in my opinion.
God can do as He wishes, but not in a manner contrary to His Word. What I see and hear from a lot of charismatics is "well, that's your opinion," even if the Scripture is plain, "but my/or experience is..." That alone should set off alarm bells. That attitude sets your experience against Scripture. That qualifies as liberalism, neo-orthodoxy, or Roman Catholicism. Take your pick, but all three set experience over against Scripture. That is not evangelical Christianity, no matter what you say.
Finally, ecstatic utterance is very common in many religions. What passes for tongues today is usually ecstatic utterance. Since other religions share the same experience, that is a sure sign of the inauthentic nature of modern tongues in most, but not all, situations. How do we know the difference? By the rules in Scripture as Dr. Griffin says.
God can do as He wishes, but not in a manner contrary to His Word. What I see and hear from a lot of charismatics is "well, that's your opinion," even if the Scripture is plain, "but my/or experience is..." That alone should set off alarm bells. That attitude sets your experience against Scripture. That qualifies as liberalism, neo-orthodoxy, or Roman Catholicism. Take your pick, but all three set experience over against Scripture. That is not evangelical Christianity, no matter what you say.
Finally, ecstatic utterance is very common in many religions. What passes for tongues today is usually ecstatic utterance. Since other religions share the same experience, that is a sure sign of the inauthentic nature of modern tongues in most, but not all, situations. How do we know the difference? By the rules in Scripture as Dr. Griffin says.
Yes, Dr Bob this is your opinion and I respect that, but in your opinion above and what us of the Spirit Filled denominations see (atleast I think this is what it is? I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.) The scripture in 1Cor.13:8-10,12 is the one that seems to show up and seems to be a pivotal point on the debate of Spiritual gifts. Does any one else see this? One group says that "No, that which is in part is come", saying its the written Word...while others say it is talking about the 2nd comming of Jesus. verse 8 says 3 things will vanish away 1.prophecies 2.tongues 3.knowledge....to me it seems like theres still quite a few smart ladies and gentlemen here that are knowledgable, the word tongues is plural so I take that as many/divers and it seems like we can still communicate.....that leaves prophecy, have all prophecies been fullfilled?
Music4Him
Any theology majors want to answer the above quote? (1Cor.13:8-10,12)
Music4Him
tamborine lady
Active Member
Dr. Bob said-------Baptist still post and debate. Sadly, SAH just showed some of the most vile and unchristian conduct I have ever seen on the BB. And we have had some lulus in the past.---
If the posters cannot say anything about a particular person, shouldn't that go for moderators too???
Waiting for an answer.
Tam
Yes. I could not share publically what was said, but that SAH was not posting on the BB anywhere again. Since this individual was the subject, I did not feel it out of line to mention him in particular, as a warning to those who will not abide by the BB rules.
I am sorry that some saw this as an attack by a moderator on an individual. I have a personal policy of editing (if needed) the four-letter words and hate speech, then pm'ing the offender. I plan to continue this.