Have/would you take the Covid vaccine? PT 2

[Gold Dragon]

Nobel Prize Winner Prof. Luc Montagnier (88): "The Covid Vaccine is Creating the Variants" (bitchute.com)

Luc Montagnier says the vaccine is a scientific and medically unacceptable error and has ignored treatments and causes the virus to mutate. Says history books will not be kind to how the politicians handled this.

Maybe he is just an old fart huh. He certainly does not look WOKE.

People are getting sick and dying after the vaccine of covid variants created and enhanced by the vaccine

I guess it is a bit inconvenient to Montagnier's ideas that there were thousands of covid19 mutations and hundreds of recognized variants of covid19 before the vaccines were ever used in humans.

The reality is that every time the virus replicates there is a chance for new mutations and new variants. The more people get covd19 the more likely a new mutation and variant can arise.


French Nobel prize winner: ‘Covid-19 made in lab’

Professor Montagnier is well-known for his radical, and often controversial, views within the scientific community.

One molecular biologist at the national research centre Le Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS), Alexis Verger, last week tweeted a “reminder” that the professor is known for being anti-vaccinations, pro-homeopathy, and believes that “water has memory”.

He has also been known to attempt to “regenerate DNA sequences from pure water and digitized electromagnetic signals and send them by email”, said Dr Verger.

Professor Montagnier caused controversy in the scientific community when, one year after winning the Nobel prize, he claimed that “a good immune system” was enough to protect people against AIDS.

He has also come out in support of the idea that water has memory, a theory defended in 1988 by the late French immunologist Jacques Benveniste, which has since been discredited by the scientific community.

He was also the subject of a public outcry in 2017, when he came out against the French government’s decision to make certain vaccinations mandatory, accusing the policy of “poisoning the next generation little by little”.

In response, 106 academic scientists wrote an open letter “calling [the professor] to order”. The letter read: “We, academics of medicine, cannot accept that one of our peers is using his Nobel prize [status] to spread dangerous health messages outside of his field of knowledge.”

 

[Scott Downey]

I guess it is a bit inconvenient to Montagnier's ideas that there were thousands of covid19 mutations and hundreds of recognized variants of covid19 before the vaccines were ever used in humans.

The reality is that every time the virus replicates there is a chance for new mutations and new variants. The more people get covd19 the more likely a new mutation and variant can arise.


French Nobel prize winner: ‘Covid-19 made in lab’

It seems you think the man insane
Nobel Prof. Montagnier: COVID-19 Caused By a Vaccine Experiment Gone Bad? • Children's Health Defense (childrenshealthdefense.org)

 

[Gold Dragon]

It seems you think the man insane
Nobel Prof. Montagnier: COVID-19 Caused By a Vaccine Experiment Gone Bad? • Children's Health Defense (childrenshealthdefense.org)

There are lots of sane people that believe in completely false ideas and continue to do so even when those ideas are easily shown to be false.

You do bring up a good point that the line between belief and delusion is extremely thin. One of the most impactful things I learned while working in psychiatry and talking to and treating the most schizophrenic and delusional patients, the ones who need involuntary admission for their own safety, is seeing how thin that line really is sometimes.

 

[percho]

There are lots of sane people that believe in completely false ideas and continue to do so even when those ideas are easily shown to be false.

You do bring up a good point that the line between belief and delusion is extremely thin. One of the most impactful things I learned while working in psychiatry and talking to and treating the most schizophrenic and delusional patients, the ones who need involuntary admission for their own safety, is seeing how thin that line really is sometimes.

I would like to ask you a question.

What evidence has there been that anyone under the age of 30 and especially anyone the age of 20 and then 10 down to infants should be given this ,"vaccine," being covid 19 basically has 0 effect on them?

Why would you give someone something that they do not need, when it is known even taking it is no guarantee you will not get it?

 

[percho]

If this is about what Fauci and Mark’s said in a senate committee hearing, the numbers quotes was about how many folks had received the vaccine, and was not about anyone refusing the vaccine.

PolitiFact - No, Fauci and FDA head didn’t say 40-50% of CDC, FDA staff refusing COVID shots

You and Polit are correct yet one might ask oneself, Self Let's not be an idiot maybe the wrong question was asked.

Dr Fauci how many of the people working at --- have accepted taking the experimental jab? I think about 60%
Well Dr Fauci what about the other 40%

I'm not sure why they haven't. And he would be correct, because he doesn't live in their head. Like he did those who took it.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I would like to ask you a question.

What evidence has there been that anyone under the age of 30 and especially anyone the age of 20 and then 10 down to infants should be given this ,"vaccine," being covid 19 basically has 0 effect on them?

Why would you give someone something that they do not need, when it is known even taking it is no guarantee you will not get it?

Good question. I have children and I will get them vaccinated for many reasons.

1. While children and young people are less likely to have symptomatic or severe covid, it still happens and some still go to hospital or die from it or develop long covid afterwards. For those people, what is lost is much greater because they have so much more life that has been affected. And even with those lower odds of catching or having severe effects from covid19, it is still far greater than any potential negative effects of the vaccine which are close to 0.

2. People who are young and healthy now will get older or develop at risk diseases later. If there are many people who don’t get vaccinated, covid19 is likely to be around for a long time.

3. Vaccination against covid19 will also potentially give protection against other coronaviruses like the ones that cause the common cold or the next pandemic from a coronavirus.

4. Those are just the benefits to the individual receiving the vaccine. By vaccinating younger people who could transmit covid19 without getting symptomatic, you are protecting everyone else by

a) reducing community transmission
b) increasing the chance of eradication
c) protecting those who could not get vaccinated because of allergies or chose not to get vaccinated because of valid or invalid reasons
d) reduce the chance of more variants that our vaccines may be less effective against

 

[Gold Dragon]

You and Polit are correct yet one might ask oneself, Self Let's not be an idiot maybe the wrong question was asked.

Dr Fauci how many of the people working at --- have accepted taking the experimental jab? I think about 60%
Well Dr Fauci what about the other 40%

I'm not sure why they haven't. And he would be correct, because he doesn't live in their head. Like he did those who took it.

Because they were still waiting for their jab? Or they were are too busy to see their doctor? They are procrastinators? They are located in a place where access is difficult? Needle phobia? They are waiting for more data?

There are many reasons that have nothing to do with being anti-vaccine that can explain that number.

 

[JonC]

Yep. Both shots. And I'm fine. Both shots and I'm fine. I'm fine. Fine.

What were we taking about?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Good question. I have children and I will get them vaccinated for many reasons.

1. While children and young people are less likely to have symptomatic or severe covid, it still happens and some still go to hospital or die from it or develop long covid afterwards. For those people, what is lost is much greater because they have so much more life that has been affected. And even with those lower odds of catching or having severe effects from covid19, it is still far greater than any potential negative effects of the vaccine which are close to 0.

2. People who are young and healthy now will get older or develop at risk diseases later. If there are many people who don’t get vaccinated, covid19 is likely to be around for a long time.

3. Vaccination against covid19 will also potentially give protection against other coronaviruses like the ones that cause the common cold or the next pandemic from a coronavirus.

4. Those are just the benefits to the individual receiving the vaccine. By vaccinating younger people who could transmit covid19 without getting symptomatic, you are protecting everyone else by

a) reducing community transmission
b) increasing the chance of eradication
c) protecting those who could not get vaccinated because of allergies or chose not to get vaccinated because of valid or invalid reasons
d) reduce the chance of more variants that our vaccines may be less effective against

I also didn’t mention the non health benefits like ability to travel, visit places or people (nursing homes) that will require evidence of vaccination.

Being able to help those with coronavirus without catching it (health workers, service providers, overseas NGO workers)

I’m sure I could come up with heaps more reasons if I keep thinking about it.

 

[percho]

I also didn’t mention the non health benefits like ability to travel, visit places or people (nursing homes) that will require evidence of vaccination.

Being able to help those with coronavirus without catching it (health workers, service providers, overseas NGO workers)

I’m sure I could come up with heaps more reasons if I keep thinking about it.

Thank you for your replies.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Yep. Both shots. And I'm fine. Both shots and I'm fine. I'm fine. Fine.

Give it time. Adverse effects may well lie in your future. I hope they won't. But they probably will.

 

[JonC]

Give it time. Adverse effects may well lie in your future. I hope they won't. But they probably will.

Rippon....is that really you??? What happened to the last you? (Welcome back)

Adverse effects of life already lie in my life, so it doesn't bother me. I know folks much younger than I who died of COVID (without known pre-existing conditions), a 24 year old (had asthma) who weathered COVID ok only to have a stroke a few weeks later, and an otherwise healthy guy who got COVID and is now in the ICU on a respirator.

A cousin had COVID and recovered, but is now going through health issues (he is 20 years old).

So I figure now that I am in my 50's and a retired soldier (working in a nuclear facility) I probably have pre-existing conditions a mile long that have yet made their appearance.

Wasn't it Stonewall Jackson who said he was as safe on the battlefield as in bed? That's kinda my philosophy. My future (regardless of taking or rejecting a vaccine) is my future. At 52 I've already lived longer than my father. So I make the best decisions I can at a given time and move on.

I do not blame folks for not getting vaccinated. I don't blame them for getting vaccinated. The way I see it our health is our individual responsibility and we answer to no other person (except our wives....somehow we ALWAYS answer to our wives).

 

[Wingman68]

Jimstone.is - World Class Investigative Truth

If you’ve taken the vax, you might want to pass this by. There are tons of videos out there where magnets are sticking to people, & some who claim their phone or tv has tried to connect to them. Yeah, that’s out there, but the totally insane idea that kids should be vaxed, & they are offering ice cream etc to those willing to do it sounds like a bad fairy tale with the wicked witch offering the beautiful poisoned apple to the innocent children.

 

[percho]

Heart issue warning in kids after CONVID 1984 bioweapon shots (bitchute.com)

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Rippon....is that really you??? What happened to the last you? (Welcome back)

Hi. This is Rippon, formerly known as Rippon2 and now as RipponRedeaux. I was away from the playing field too long and couldn't log in as Rippon2 where I had about 1,000 posts. I wish all my posts from each incarnation could be subsumed under the banner of Rippon. But that is unlikely.

Thanks for the welcome back. I'll have to make some posts at least once a month before I have to go by yet another moniker : Ripponesque.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

No, the two accounts can not be combined.

 

[Reynolds]

Rippon....is that really you??? What happened to the last you? (Welcome back)

Adverse effects of life already lie in my life, so it doesn't bother me. I know folks much younger than I who died of COVID (without known pre-existing conditions), a 24 year old (had asthma) who weathered COVID ok only to have a stroke a few weeks later, and an otherwise healthy guy who got COVID and is now in the ICU on a respirator.

A cousin had COVID and recovered, but is now going through health issues (he is 20 years old).

So I figure now that I am in my 50's and a retired soldier (working in a nuclear facility) I probably have pre-existing conditions a mile long that have yet made their appearance.

Wasn't it Stonewall Jackson who said he was as safe on the battlefield as in bed? That's kinda my philosophy. My future (regardless of taking or rejecting a vaccine) is my future. At 52 I've already lived longer than my father. So I make the best decisions I can at a given time and move on.

I do not blame folks for not getting vaccinated. I don't blame them for getting vaccinated. The way I see it our health is our individual responsibility and we answer to no other person (except our wives....somehow we ALWAYS answer to our wives).

If as safe in bed as on battlefield, why get vaccine?

 

[JonC]

If as safe in bed as on battlefield, why get vaccine?

Why not?

i.e., I'm not afraid of the vaccine & need it for work and to travel (unless I want to keep on wearing a mask and not travel).

I refuse to live in fear.

 

[Reynolds]

Why not?

i.e., I'm not afraid of the vaccine & need it for work and to travel (unless I want to keep on wearing a mask and not travel).

I refuse to live in fear.

Me too. That's why I don't need a vax.

 

[Roy]

I don't plan to get vaxed. The ones who gave me their manufactured virus want to give me a vaccine which they also manufactured? I think I will take vitamins but refuse the Kool-Aid.