Have/would you take the Covid vaccine? PT 2

[Roy]

LSU pumps brakes on mandatory vaccine after legal warning

LSU pumps brakes on mandatory vaccine after legal warning

 

[JonC]

Me too. That's why I don't need a vax.

Yep. To each his own. I could not keep on wearing those stupid masks. The DOE lifted the mandate if you had been vaccinated.

More important to my decision was my son. He needed to be vaccinated for college and travel. I would not see him take the vaccine and me not.

I'm not afraid of COVID or the vaccine. But I do think we, individually, should make decisions for our own health.

There is too much misinformation on all sides. People trying to sway others into their "camp".

 

[JonC]

I have several friends who are doctors and recommend the vaccine. I have a friend who is a nurse and has worked on a COVID unit over a year (and lost about 100 patients to COCID). She does not plan on being vaccinated.

As far as the common cold goes, there is no cure because it is not a disease. The cold is "mild" symptoms caused by several types of viruses.

The vaccine does not make future iterations of a virus more deadly. It produces a response to a type of virus. While it may not be effective for future viruses having had the response caused by the vaccine does not make other versions more serious. mRNA vaccines have not been developed to cure the common cold.

The main concern is the newness of the vaccine (and the main concern is the newness of COVID-19). We do not have enough history to make definitive statements about either.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Why not?

i.e., I'm not afraid of the vaccine & need it for work and to travel (unless I want to keep on wearing a mask and not travel).

I refuse to live in fear.

Interesting. Those of us who adamantly refuse to take the jab (for it isn't a vaccine) see those who enthusiastically rush to get poked as fearful. They are very afraid of getting the dreaded COVID (as it is popularly called). They cower in fear about contracting something in which the survival rate is extraordinarily high for the majority of the population.
And then after they get the jab or two still want to live in further fear by wearing pointless muzzles and keep apart from others outside their pod.
They feel frustrated that the unvaccinated don't wear mouth coverings. They wish to continue the show of virtue signaling even though they proclaim that they are "fully vaccinated." They run in fear of the "unvaccinated." They are paranoid.
All of the vaxxers don't fit all of the criteria I have mentioned under the umbrella of the pronoun "they," but most have the sentiments I have described. It's nonsensical.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

More important to my decision was my son. He needed to be vaccinated for college and travel. I would not see him take the vaccine and me not.

My health is more important than living with the restrictions that the elite have put in place. Your son's health is more important than college and travel. His health and your health has been compromised by submitting to the needle.

 

[Reynolds]

I have several friends who are doctors and recommend the vaccine. I have a friend who is a nurse and has worked on a COVID unit over a year (and lost about 100 patients to COCID). She does not plan on being vaccinated.

As far as the common cold goes, there is no cure because it is not a disease. The cold is "mild" symptoms caused by several types of viruses.

The vaccine does not make future iterations of a virus more deadly. It produces a response to a type of virus. While it may not be effective for future viruses having had the response caused by the vaccine does not make other versions more serious. mRNA vaccines have not been developed to cure the common cold.

The main concern is the newness of the vaccine (and the main concern is the newness of COVID-19). We do not have enough history to make definitive statements about either.

I will take the word of the researcher who did the animal trials. I personally don't need a vaccine to a virus that I am over 99% likely to survive. If someone tries to strong arm me into something, the less likely I am to do it. There is no question that long term, the ones not vaccinated against Covid will have better survivability to wild variants than vaccinated. I regularly go to two docs. One is 100% opposed to vaccine. Other kind of half heartedly supports vax. Even he readily admits those who get vax will have to continue to get it or become highly susceptible to variants.
The left is pushing this vaccine too hard. There is ab nefarious motive being hidden.
Newest research out says I am immune for life and will be highly immune to variants.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Interesting. Those of us who adamantly refuse to take the jab (for it isn't a vaccine) see those who enthusiastically rush to get poked as fearful. They are very afraid of getting the dreaded COVID (as it is popularly called). They cower in fear about contracting something in which the survival rate is extraordinarily high for the majority of the population.
And then after they get the jab or two still want to live in further fear by wearing pointless muzzles and keep apart from others outside their pod.
They feel frustrated that the unvaccinated don't wear mouth coverings. They wish to continue the show of virtue signaling even though they proclaim that they are "fully vaccinated." They run in fear of the "unvaccinated." They are paranoid.
All of the vaxxers don't fit all of the criteria I have mentioned under the umbrella of the pronoun "they," but most have the sentiments I have described. It's nonsensical.

I encourage folks to get vaccinated because we have several centuries of evidence of the effectiveness and safety of vaccines. In many ways our life expectancies is no longer in the 30s like in the Middle Ages because of antibiotics which allow us to fight bacterial infections (but ineffective against viruses) and vaccines which give us protection against viral and bacterial infections.

If you like natural remedies, vaccines are as natural as you get. We are triggering the body’s natural response to pathogens without actually exposing them to the pathogen.

The ones who are being manipulated by fear are those who are being fed misinformation about side effects and government conspiracies that aren’t there by the for profit antivax disinformation industry.

Those that are getting vaccinated, wearing masks and following public health guidelines are not doing so out of fear but out of love and compassion for their fellow neighbour. Even if they are not Christian, they are being obedient to the second greatest commandment far better than some Christians I have seen.

I have had so many patients tell me that they don’t care if they die of covid19 or rare vaccine reactions but they want to do their part to prevent the suffering of their loved ones and neighbours. The patients I have that are most fearful for no reason are the ones who refuse vaccination, which is their right. It is unfortunate that that decision is based on being manipulated by those doing so for profit.

 

[Wingman68]

Pro-Vaccine Researcher: "We've Made a Big Mistake." COVID-19 Vaccine Spike Protein is a TOXIN Injected into the Bloodstream.

Doesn’t sound like something anybody needs. People who have already suffered dire consequences & medical bills are on their own. Who is caring about them? The drug companies? Nope. The government? Nope. There are just more coercions offered to those who resist their ‘suggestions’. Do it so you can hug gramma before she dies. Do it so you can be mask free. How about if you simply act like a free man & take off the stupid mask without being jabbed? I’m beginning to think there are a majority who are ready to give up all of their freedoms as long as it’s politically correct. Maybe your kids are better off not going to that college which is teaching them to get in line before they walk in the door, & what else will they need to get in line for? SMH.

Colorado Springs Woman with Permanent Injuries Following J&J Experimental Vaccine Stuck with $1 Million in Medical Bills, But Don't Expect J&J to Pay Anything

One Grandma in my family got the vax so she would be deemed ok to be with the grands, she has always been healthy, not overweight, strong & active. She had a stroke. Good stuff.

 

[Gold Dragon]

It is unfortunate that that decision is based on being manipulated by those doing so for profit.

Just in case you were wondering, in Australia GP's are being reimbursed by Medicare for delivering the covid19 vaccine at below our usual fee. Many practices opted out of giving the vaccine because they would be operating at a loss with those reimbursement rates. Our practice wanted to offer the service despite that because we knew it was a service our community would want and benefit from.

'Anxiety and uncertainty': Australian GPs in the dark over their part in vaccine rollout

Another key source of concern was the funding model proposed by the federal government to pay GPs for participating in the rollout.

The funding model was designed for high-volume, mass vaccination type clinics, which have not experienced any hiccups delaying their delivery. Doctors say it is less suitable for smaller clinics in cities and the regions that are already running at capacity.

Boulton, for example, said the funding arrangements will force her to deliver the vaccination program at a loss.

“We will do it, but we will do it at a loss, because we believe it’s something we need to do,” she said. “But let’s not forget that it’s not just the government that’s funding this, it’s the general practice owners.”

Price said individual clinics will need to decide whether they can find a model of delivery that is viable.

Working that out, she said, can be extraordinarily complex and hugely stressful.

“You’ve got different [clinic] sizes, different staff, there are some clinics that may be banding together to do it, which makes sense, because we’ve still got to do usual business,” Price said. “We can’t just drop everything. I know my clinic will be doing it after hours, on a weekend.”

 

[Gold Dragon]

The main concern is the newness of the vaccine (and the main concern is the newness of COVID-19). We do not have enough history to make definitive statements about either.

In terms of data about Covid19 and the covid19 vaccines, this is the most scientific data we have had for any disease or medication that has been in existence for 18 months in human history. For the disease we have 170 million cases of data. For the vaccine we have 2 billion doses of data. We also have the best data analysis tools in human history and heaps of funding dedicated to tracking and studying that data.

For the Moderna vaccine the first patients given the vaccine in phase 1 trials were in March 2020. So we now have 16 months of data from those patients.

It is always good to have more data, but there is plenty of data out there to make definitive statements. This is not some rare disease or infrequently used medication.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Colorado Springs Woman with Permanent Injuries Following J&J Experimental Vaccine Stuck with $1 Million in Medical Bills, But Don't Expect J&J to Pay Anything

It is unfortunate what happened to those who suffered from the clots from Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines. I hope they get the support they need. But it must be kept in context with the fact that it is highly likely that if they had caught covid19, they would have had a similar problem and likely died since covid19 is much more likely to produce these clots which are caused by the body's immune response to either the vaccine or the virus.

We were able to detect these rare cases of clotting because of excellent vaccine tracking systems. And guidelines have adjusted so that now this clotting risks is significantly reduced by not giving it to patients under 50 and also having the right treatments for it. In Australia our death count due to clotting from the A&Z remains at 1 and our number of patients with clots is currently at 27 confirmed and 6 under investigation out of close to 2 million vaccinated with the AZ vaccine. Of those with clots, now that we know what we are looking for we are finding them early and treating them properly and they are being discharged with no long term effects.

One Grandma in my family got the vax so she would be deemed ok to be with the grands, she has always been healthy, not overweight, strong & active. She had a stroke. Good stuff.

I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope she gets the treatment she needs to recover as much function as possible.

Pro-Vaccine Researcher: "We've Made a Big Mistake." COVID-19 Vaccine Spike Protein is a TOXIN Injected into the Bloodstream.

It is sad to hear this associate professor of viral immunology peddle misinformation.

This website addresses all of his incorrect statements. Byram Bridle

 

[percho]

The scientific method

Trial and error

Hide and watch

 

[Gold Dragon]

The scientific method

Trial and error

Hide and watch

One could use science, learn from error and improve.

Or one could choose dogma and make the same error over and over again and never learn anything.

 

[JonC]

I will take the word of the researcher who did the animal trials. I personally don't need a vaccine to a virus that I am over 99% likely to survive. If someone tries to strong arm me into something, the less likely I am to do it. There is no question that long term, the ones not vaccinated against Covid will have better survivability to wild variants than vaccinated. I regularly go to two docs. One is 100% opposed to vaccine. Other kind of half heartedly supports vax. Even he readily admits those who get vax will have to continue to get it or become highly susceptible to variants.
The left is pushing this vaccine too hard. There is ab nefarious motive being hidden.
Newest research out says I am immune for life and will be highly immune to variants.

They would have to have experience with the mRNA vaccine, of course.

 

[JonC]

In terms of data about Covid19 and the covid19 vaccines, this is the most scientific data we have had for any disease or medication that has been in existence for 18 months in human history. For the disease we have 170 million cases of data. For the vaccine we have 2 billion doses of data. We also have the best data analysis tools in human history and heaps of funding dedicated to tracking and studying that data.

For the Moderna vaccine the first patients given the vaccine in phase 1 trials were in March 2020. So we now have 16 months of data from those patients.

It is always good to have more data, but there is plenty of data out there to make definitive statements. This is not some rare disease or infrequently used medication.

I would be more concerned with the long term effects of COVID than I would the vaccines.

 

[JonC]

My health is more important than living with the restrictions that the elite have put in place. Your son's health is more important than college and travel. His health and your health has been compromised by submitting to the needle.

Our health is compromised by life. A common sense approach would be to compare COVID fatalities to vaccine fatalities over a like time period.

 

[JonC]

Interesting. Those of us who adamantly refuse to take the jab (for it isn't a vaccine) see those who enthusiastically rush to get poked as fearful. They are very afraid of getting the dreaded COVID (as it is popularly called). They cower in fear about contracting something in which the survival rate is extraordinarily high for the majority of the population.
And then after they get the jab or two still want to live in further fear by wearing pointless muzzles and keep apart from others outside their pod.
They feel frustrated that the unvaccinated don't wear mouth coverings. They wish to continue the show of virtue signaling even though they proclaim that they are "fully vaccinated." They run in fear of the "unvaccinated." They are paranoid.
All of the vaxxers don't fit all of the criteria I have mentioned under the umbrella of the pronoun "they," but most have the sentiments I have described. It's nonsensical.

I saw fear of COVID early on. But now I see more fear of the vaccine.

 

[Reynolds]

Our health is compromised by life. A common sense approach would be to compare COVID fatalities to vaccine fatalities over a like time period.

They Pulled SARS 1 vax for much lower mortality numbers than Covid vax.
The way they are handling this vax is stupid. They are pushing vax on people who have almost no threat of dying.

 

[Reynolds]

I saw fear of COVID early on. But now I see more fear of the vaccine.

More like lack of trust for our lying govt. Why I want to trust companies who stand to make massive profits by earliest possible roll out of vaccine when those companies have NO liability if it injures me?
Doctors are so pre-programmed to blindly follow CDC that most are just lock step robots. It's time for a rebellion against tyrants. It's not time to blindly comply and follow.

 

[JonC]

They Pulled SARS 1 vax for much lower mortality numbers than Covid vax.
The way they are handling this vax is stupid. They are pushing vax on people who have almost no threat of dying.

The SARS1 vaccine resulted in immune disease in animals and was pulled with no vaccine being needed.

How many people died of SARS1?
How many people died of COVID-19?
How many people died of the COVID-19 vaccine?