Have/would you take the Covid vaccine?

[Gold Dragon]

Is the VARS site worth anything for tracking C 19 vaccine problems? Have you, as a Doctor, reported any to VARS?

VAERS is a US thing. We have our equivalent in australia which we use for all vaccines in our practice. I have not had to use it for the 100 or so vaccination under my care so far because there have been no reactions (we are using Astra Zeneca only). The roll out is slow here because of supply issues and the wait list for covid19 vaccine appointments was going to August.

VAERS and other systems like it are reporting systems to cast a wide net for potential trends. It is not meant to be used to advise consumers or clinicians but for researchers. Just because something was reported to VAERS does not mean it was caused by the vaccine. It means researchers need to investigate for potential causation since many events have nothing to do with the vaccine at all.

 

[Reformed1689]

Reality....my date of death is already determined. My method of death is already determined. Not worried about Covid.

 

[AustinC]

Reality....my date of death is already determined. My method of death is already determined. Not worried about Covid.

We can agree on this. For me, I recognize that there are more open doors of opportunity by getting the vaccine. There are now places I can go where I can minister to others that I couldn't do otherwise.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Reality....my date of death is already determined. My method of death is already determined. Not worried about Covid.

Good for you. I have patients tell me the same thing but still choose to get vaccinated. The reason: they care about the people around them, their neighbours and family members.

I have patients who will refuse to get any vaccines (conspiracy theories and misformation is a global problem), refuse to get the Astra Zeneca vaccine or just overall have questions and are hestitant. With all of them I ask what their concerns are and try to address them respectfully with evidence based information, knowing that I am swimming against a tide of online misinformation for profit that is rampant in our current climate.

Another reason to get vaccinated is that every new case is an opportunity for the virus to develop into a new strain that is potentially resistant to our current immunity with vaccines. India is now a hotbed for new strains with all the cases happening there. This battle with the virus will not end until most of the globe is vaccinated.

 

[Stratton7]

Bad definitely ignore.

If good science was 10 and bad science was 0, the “science” on that video was negative 10.

Conspiracy theorists use the same tropes over and over again because it is big business for them. There is a huge market of unsuspecting folks they are making money of by playing on their fears. Don’t give them your time or your money

Tropes? You blind? You said your patients... Oh man. I’d be terrified to be your patient if I had any inclination of what was happening. Sounds like stuff Fauci would say.
They ask questions on the Astra Zeneca because of it’s history of blood clots, is that not feasible?

 

[Reformed1689]

We can agree on this. For me, I recognize that there are more open doors of opportunity by getting the vaccine. There are now places I can go where I can minister to others that I couldn't do otherwise.

Nowhere I can't go without a vaccine.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Tropes? You blind? You said your patients... Oh man. I’d be terrified to be your patient if I had any inclination of what was happening.

You would rather your doctor get their information from youtube conspiracy theorists who have been admitted to medical fraud rather than medical journals and guidlines?

I'm definitely not the doctor for you.

 

[Stratton7]

That’s just ONE subject sir. How could you, as a doctor, advise shots that we’re doing the same thing J&J we’re doing, and wonder why?????? @Gold Dragon. (Sry didn’t quote).

 

[Stratton7]

You would rather your doctor get their information from youtube conspiracy theorists who have been admitted to medical fraud rather than medical journals and guidlines?

I'm definitely not the doctor for you.

I would rather my doc not give me the wipe from MSM liberal left agenda about what’s going down and the false information. Luckily, I have a place where I can. Please stop suggesting to your patients it’s safe. NO one really knows especially with all the deaths from it.. that doesn’t look good for you.

 

[percho]

Everybody get in line for your jab.

TOMBSTONE: I don't think I'll let you arrest us today, Behan. - YouTube

 

[Gold Dragon]

I would rather my doc not give me the wipe from MSM liberal left agenda about what’s going down and the false information. Luckily, I have a place where I can. Please stop suggesting to your patients it’s safe. NO one really knows especially with all the deaths from it.. that doesn’t look good for you.

I'm sorry you believe that about the covid19 vaccine but it just is not true.

I don't get my medical information from youtube or any source of media.

I get it from medical journals and medical guidelines.

In terms of deaths from clotting from the Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines, I think we are up to 1.4 million Astra Zeneca vaccinations in Australia and we have had 1 death from clotting. The patient had other risk factors for clotting and she did not have the antibodies that was typical of the cases with TTS (thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) so it is very possible her clot had nothing to do with the vaccine. We have had other cases positive for TTS but none have died so far. The reason they are all over 50 is because we are not giving the Astra Zeneca vaccine to people under 50 anymore.

The TGA (our FDA) publishes a weekly report on covid19 vaccine safety data and adverse events.

COVID-19 vaccine weekly safety report - 06-05-2021

We have 2.2 million people vaccinated altogether, about 1.4 million Astra Zeneca and the rest are Pfizer.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Sounds like stuff Fauci would say.

Fauci is a highly respected doctor. I'm thankful for that comparison. I know your media sources don't like him so much because he was loyal to medical evidence rather than Trump or politics.

They ask questions on the Astra Zeneca because of it’s history of blood clots, is that not feasible?

I get lots of questions about the clotting risk and I often bring it up before they do since I know they will ask.

 

[AustinC]

Nowhere I can't go without a vaccine.

I doubt this is actually true, unless you don't visit the elderly in nursing homes or go into jails to share the gospel or go onto many college campuses.
Yet, I don't know the bubble you live in so in your world you probably don't need to be vaccinated to go where you wish to go.

 

[Gold Dragon]

They ask questions on the Astra Zeneca because of it’s history of blood clots, is that not feasible?

FYI that I was one of the first people that posted about it on this forum once the evidence became clear of its link.

Canada sending COVID positive travelers to 'internment' facilities

 

[Paul from Antioch]

I haven't yet taken it, but my Primary Care Physician did suggest I do. My own situation is that I'm basically a shut-in & don't usually go outside on any regular basis except for therapy treatments & things like that. I'm so thankful for my local church who serves this almost 75 YO single, never been married "Eunuch for the Kingdom's Sake," (See Matthew 19) that Jesus mentioned. I know my situation is a usual one, but I'm content with it (Last Friday was my 55th REbirthday.) I as a very severely physically-handicapped shut-in my contact with the outside world is somewhat limited. I wear a mask when I'm outside just to keep me from giving/getting any more diseases than I already do have. I don't seek a pity party, just realize the condition I'm in & leave at that. God doesn't seem to want to heal me completely so far, and it doesn't really bother me. If He wants me to stay this way during my time here on terra firma, fine. I've got Jesus as my Brother, the Holy Spirit as my Comforter, His Word as my guide, and a future that's out of this world. That's much more than those who've won Publisher's Clearing House's $i,000.00 per day cause the goverment(s) can't take THAT away....try as they might!!

I did get the J&J shot on May 8....As a 75th BD present to myself (b. May 9, 1946). Actually it took me longer to get registered for the shot than the shot itself. Since I'm a retired military vet, I'm entitled to TRICARE for Life. The TN ANG wing from which I retired in Jan 2005 only issued me a blue (Retired Vet) ID card & I was told that this card would suffice for notifying anyone that I was, in fact, eligible fro TRICARE for Life. Past past Saturday (May 8, 2021) I went to a Wal-Mart Super Center for some items that I'd run short on, & there I saw this sign informing me that Covid-19 vacc's were availible at the Pharmacy Dept. I went up to the counter & produced both my TN Drivers License & my Blue ID card. Apparently I was the first retired vet to register then since neither the person supposedly in charge of registering people for the shot AND the Pharmacist in Charge had never been trained to accept my blue ID card as proof of my eligibilty of TRICARE for Life. SOOOOO....the P in C THEN had to call "somebody" who was supposedly over the registration process, and HE didn't have a clue either!! I don't know whom that person talked to to tell the persons in charge that, in fact, a blue ID card WAS in fact, acceptable (probably POTUS K Harris!! ), but THEN the person actually giving me the shot didn't want to accept my blue ID before she would administer the J&J shot!! Thank goodness I'd already gone to the rest room prior to all this "Government-Sponsored Fiasco"!! After about 90 minutes, believe or not, I was given what I was told was that Wal-Mart Super Center's very last shot!!! Don'tcha just love the new, modernized, cut-the-excess baggage Federal govt's way of speeding up things?? And this is POTUS K Harris's first year!!! Can't wait to see what it'll be like after 3.5 yrs!!

 

[Stratton7]

The patient had other risk factors for clotting

If you say so... (not agreeing). Amongst all the other similar clottings at the exact same time.
And you thinking Fauci is highly respected says a lot. (Not in a good way).

 

[Gold Dragon]

If you say so... (not agreeing). Amongst all the other similar clottings at the exact same time.

She is still categorized as having died from a severe clotting adverse event after the Astra Zeneca vaccine and it is terrible that it happened. She doesn't fit the typical case for TTS so what caused it is not that clear.

And so far we have had 11 cases in total that have been identified with TTS (0 deaths) and it looks like 3 others that are under investigation but don't fit the current criteria. This is in a total of 1.4 million vaccinations given. 1 in 100000 seems like the ratio we are getting so far for clotting and around 1 in million for death. All my patients are aware of these risks for the AZ vaccine. There does not appear to be any additional risk for clotting from the Pfizer vaccine.

And you thinking Fauci is highly respected says a lot. (Not in a good way).

No problem. I'm not interested in pleasing those who choose politics over evidence.

 

[Revmitchell]

Fauci I I said no one should be walking around wearing masks. Them when it became politically expedient he said we must wear them. Then he said we would be wearing them for years, then he said to double up,

The Dems condemned the vaccine while Trump was in office. Said they would have nothing to do with it. Now they want to cram it down everyone’s throat that they got in office.

sorry but that is not conspiracy theory those are facts and it is all political. I don’t trust them and I don’t trust what they want done. Period

 

[Wingman68]

Should have listened to Neil Young???

Neil Young is a raging liberal, ‘a southern man don’t need him around anyhow’, Skynyrd.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Fauci I I said no one should be walking around wearing masks. Them when it became politically expedient he said we must wear them. Then he said we would be wearing them for years, then he said to double up,

When Fauci said not to wear masks, it was because there was a supply problem and masks needed to be reserved for health care workers. That was the right call at that time.

When the mask supply problem was resolved, it made sense that everyone should wear them. That was the right call too.

Covid19 is likely going to be with us for years and we don't know how long immunity from vaccinations will last so some form of mask wearing for years is a scientifically sound recommendation, especially if lots of people don't get vaccinated.

When there was evidence that doubling up helped, he recommended it. That is how making decisions based on evidence works.

The Dems condemned the vaccine while Trump was in office. Said they would have nothing to do with it.

I am not aware of any democrat that was opposed to vaccination but if there was, I suspect they were the exception not the rule. If you show evidence of your statement, I would have no problem acknowledging I was wrong. I don't have very high expectations from you based on your history here.


Edit - the masks for years thing was for influenza which is also a reasonable idea. But he was not saying that was necessarily a recommendation.

There are many people from countries severely affected by SARS in 2003 who have since chosen to wear masks in public. There will be a lot of people doing the same after covid19 from even more countries and from a personal and public health perspective, that is probably not a bad idea.