Have/would you take the Covid vaccine?

[Baptist Believer]

I believe we have a God that is much larger, stronger, and more important than the virus and is able to keep us safe.

Did Jesus believe in a God Who would have kept Him safe if He had jumped off of the pinnacle of the Temple?

I'm sure He did.

So did He jump?

Nope. "You shall not put the Lord your God to the test." (Luke 4:9-12)

You using Satan's argument. Except Satan made a stronger one, since he used scripture:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you,’​

and

“‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”
​

Shall we yield to the temptation of Satan or follow in the example of Christ?

 

[AVL1984]

I too believe the sentence I've bolded. However, I also believe that God's mercy and grace enabled scientists to quickly develop effective and very safe (not totally safe, of course) vaccines, such that we have a choice whether to be vaccinated or not. God has numbered our days since eternity past, and He's given us intelligence to make sensible* choices concerning our health.
(* That which is "sensible" for me may not be sensible for the next person, and vice versa.)

Exactly my point. I have many family members and friends in the medical field, and most of them don't hold the views of the CDC, WHO, NIH, the Surgeon General or others. The science isn't sound according to them, nor is it sound to my wife and I. As you say, what may be sensible to you won't be sensible to me. That's why I stated, if that's what makes you feel safe, then, by all means, please get the vaccine. I'll decline.

 

[AVL1984]

• Spanish Influenza ... first reported in Spain (due to WW1 censorship)
• West Nile Virus ... discovered in West Nile District of Uganda.
• German Measles ... named after a German physician that first described it in the 1700's
• Ross River Fever ... flu-like disease caused an outbreak in New South Wales, Australia, in 1928; identified in 1959 from a mosquito collected on the Ross River
• Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever ... tick-borne disease first found in Omsk, Russia.
• Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever ... named for the Ebola River in Zaire
• Marburg Virus Disease ... named for Marburg, Germany; 1967 workers in a lab preparing specimens of monkey tissues were exposed to this African virus.
• Lassa Fever ... first identified in Lassa, Nigeria
• La Crosse Encephalitis ... discovered in La Crosse, Wisconsin
• St. Louis Encephalitis ... named after an outbreak in 1933 in St. Louis, Missouri, caused by a virus found naturally in migratory birds.
• Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever ... tick-borne bacterial infection named for the Rocky Mountains but widespread in North America.
• Lyme Disease ... a disease present for thousands of years but named after a 1970's outbreak in the towns of Lyme and Old Lyme, Connecticut.

There are people looking to "blame China" and there are people just following a very long tradition of naming diseases after where they were identified. Would Wuhan Flu be better?

Other people can call it what they want, but my conviction is that during this time of more divisiveness than I've known in my nearly 60 years of life, I, because of my witness before some of the people I have contact with, I need to watch what I call it. Maybe you don't. That's between you and God. And yes, I do realize that some name the "problem" as I've heard it described lately, by the area it came from. It's a Sars virus, and that's what we call it if we're not calling it the coronavirus or C-19.

 

[Stratton7]

Actually, it didn't. It is believed to have originated in the United States, in Haskell County, Kansas, to be specific. The reason it was dubbed the Spanish flu is that during World War 1, all of the major powers had heavy censorship over any information that might be helpful to the enemy. News of a deadly influenza sweeping through the armies was suppressed by everyone except for Spain, which was a neutral country and had a press that was able to report on the strange and virulent disease afflicting the Spanish population.

So if we are going to name the 1918-1919 influenze after a country, it should be called "the United States flu" or "the US virus."


Just as the US did not create the 1918-1919 pandemic, China did not create the 2020-2021 pandemic, despite a bunch of conspiracy theories claiming otherwise. Disease is an affliction of humanity, not the result of specific nations.

Given our former President's desire to scapegoat other countries, the phrases, "China virus," "Kung Flu," etc., have been used as justifications for harassing and even physically harming Asians in the United States. It is not "PC" or "woke" to love one's neighbor and speak truthfully about them.

My point is that no one I know of has had a problem calling it the Spanish Influenza virus until recently with all the changes in semantics with the left.

Sigh, I’m getting off topic. Will be my last response on that.

 

[Baptist Believer]

My point is that no one I know of has had a problem calling it the Spanish Influenza virus...

The Spanish didn't care for it. They called it the "French Flu," since they were rivals with France and assumed that it must have come from there.

Do you see how that works? The name was meant as a slight, to blame a rival.

You said, "...no one I know of has had a problem calling it the Spanish Influenza virus..." But that's a very low standard. I grew up hearing lots of ethnic slurs at school and even church. That doesn't make it right.

...until recently with all the changes in semantics with the left.

So what you are saying is that "the left" is more respectful of people than persons on the right. That's probably true.

 

[Stratton7]

The Spanish didn't care for it. They called it the "French Flu," since they were rivals with France and assumed that it must have come from there.

“...assumed it must have come from there.”
They’re still calling it a name for where they believe it to have come from. It’s not labeling anyone in a derogatory way or a personal attack. It’s stating where a virus is thought to have come from. If you want to use something different, by all means. And as a Christian, you should know the left is not more respectful as you’ve said. They want to remove God. Plain and simple.

On topic:

Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says:



“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines.”

“You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects,”

Just thought this was interesting. Here’s the link if anyone wants to see more about what they believe may happen.
*I am not endorsing this info or agreeing or disagreeing w/ it. It just caught my eye when doing research.*


THE COMING GENOCIDE OF ADVERSE COVID VAX REACTIONS, AND WHO TO BLAME FOR IT

The Coming Genocide of Adverse COVID Vax Reactions, and Who to Blame for It

 

[Baptist Believer]

“...assumed it must have come from there.”
They’re still calling it a name for where they believe it to have come from.

They don't like the French, so they made the assumption that bad stuff comes from France.

It’s not labeling anyone in a derogatory way or a personal attack.

Sure it is.

If you want to use something different, by all means.

Let's call it the "Trump virus," since it occurred when he was President, he claimed it would go away, "like a miracle," and we have 500,000 dead on his watch.

And as a Christian, you should know the left is not more respectful as you’ve said.

Frankly, I have found them MUCH more respectful than many people in "conservative" religious circles here or in person.

They want to remove God. Plain and simple.

That's quite a foolish accusation. I would love to hear your reasoning that led you to make that statement, but that would be off-topic.

Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer for 16 years, Dr. Mike Yeadon..."

You can tell that everything that comes past this introduction is suspect, since Mike Yeadon was NOT the "Chief Science Officer for Pfizer" (that's actually Mikael Dolsten), although he did work for the UK-based allergy and respiratory unit of the firm that shut down in 2011. He has no experience in infectious disease or vaccines.

This stuff is EASY to check, if you actually want to know what it true.

[the fraudulent scientist, Dr. Mike Yeadon allegedly] says:

“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines.”

“You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects,”

That's rubbish.

If the pandemic is over, why is it raging in populations that are not vaccinated?

Just thought this was interesting. Here’s the link if anyone wants to see more about what they believe may happen.

You actually didn't create a link. I had to chase down that nonsense myself. It is hosted on a fringe website, and there's not much there to begin with, just a reference back to a study that was allegedly done in the 1960s on animals. It's not the 1960s and we know a lot more about the science than we did then, so even that reference is irrelevant.

*I am not endorsing this info or agreeing or disagreeing w/ it. It just caught my eye when doing research.*

Do you think you can actually do legitimate research if you don't check out the basics (Mike Yeadon's former position) or have the medical/science knowledge necessary to separate the truth from propaganda?

I know quite a bit about medicine for a layman, but I reach out to real experts when I want to check things out. My brother is a research chemist (organic chemistry) for medical research and stays on the cutting edge of drugs and treatment, so I reach out to him about some of these things. I also have friends and family that are doctors and nurses, and I check in with them as well.

Do you have those resources?

 

[Stratton7]

I know quite a bit about medicine for a layman, but I reach out to real experts when I want to check things out. My brother is a research chemist (organic chemistry) for medical research and stays on the cutting edge of drugs and treatment, so I reach out to him about some of these things. I also have friends and family that are doctors and nurses, and I check in with them as well.

Do you have those resources?

What is your deal? Now we’re comparing who knows more docs? No thanks.
If you read what I said it was that it caught my eye and that I made no stance on the info.
I shared it in case anyone found interesting to read. They can make their own opinions. If it’s hoo-hah, then it’s hoo-hah. Don’t try to attach me to something I clearly said I was neither in agreement or disagreement to.
Appears you’re trying to pick an argument.

 

[percho]

mRNA “Spike” Kills Says Salk Institute (bitchute.com)


Salk Institute: Spike Proteins in Covid Vaccine can cause Serious Harm - GirlsAskGuys

 

[Wingman68]

Healthy 17 year-old Utah high school athlete develops 3 blood clots in his brain immediately after Covid Vaccine…

Why would you vaccinate a child with an experimental vax when they have virtually no chance of dying should they even get covid? Maybe you are that uninformed about the risks? SMH. I will not even approach this subject with my children, about my grandchildren getting the vax. Spare me, if you won’t spare them.

 

[Reynolds]

I’ve been following along on many of the different views on this vaccine (not sure it’s even that.) I’d like to get an idea in the poll if anyone has/is taking it or planning to in the future. (Pretty simple)
If you have a comment about it or have selected the option “other,” please do share. Thanks.

No. It's unproven and I am not a sheep following the Democrats.

 

[777]

No, I wouldn't vaccinate my children - now if they want the thing when they are of age, that's their business. All of these covid shots are pretty experimental, little worried about any long-term effects, especially on children that are still growing.

I'm not vaccinated, waver back and forth. Not dead set against getting it. but I'm hesitant. Once I almost talked myself into it, then one of my co-workers claimed she was sick for a week after the booster and she was sorry she did it in the first place. That was telling.

 

[thomas15]

I had the vaccine 1st shot late January 2nd shot two weeks later. I'm in my early 60s still work full time. I was able to get it early because I'm an active volunteer firefighter. My daughter is a medical lab scientist and in her work handles patient cultures testing for the virus. She got hers only1 week before me.

Again, I work full time in an office environment. I have not lost 1 single days work due to the lockdowns, I've reported for work with no days off. I'm also in good physical condition, my height is 5'6" and weight 138-142 pounds, for the past 2.5 years I have ridden a bicycle between 100 to 160 miles per week, on average 120 miles/week. In 2020 I rode 6250 miles with about 380,000 feet of climbing total, this between outside and using a smart trainer with Zwift.

I know a lot about what is normal for me under the stress of aerobic and anaerobic exercise. I use power meters on my road bicycle and a HRM and upload all my stats to STRAVA for review. My smart trainer also includes a power meter.

A few days after the 2nd shot I started to notice an increase in my average HR of about 10 beats/minute. I also noticed achieving my FTP (watts over time) was more difficult. 12 weeks later I still have the elevated HR although through much hard work I have regained my ability to pull the big ascents outside however my legs do not "feel" the same. A typical mid-week group ride for me is 25-28 miles with 1800-2000 feet of climbing with "B class" riders. Last week I did a solo 75 mile Rail Trail ride, non-stop, this to celebrate my 63rd birthday. I say this to demonstrate only that I take my personal fitness seriously.

I have certainly lost some of my MoJo and blame it on the vaccine. That is my experience. Do with it what you will.

ON EDIT for reference: I had the Pfizer vaccine. My MAX HR is 182, my ride a bike all day HR is 150-155 give or take. I have on several occasions post vaccine achieved a HR of 187 bpm. This is a cause for concern.

 

[kyredneck]

My whole clan (nine of us) got the virus back around Christmas. As far as I know none are planning on taking the vaccine.

 

[kyredneck]

I have many family members and friends in the medical field, and most of them don't hold the views of the CDC, WHO, NIH, the Surgeon General or others.

I wasn't going to say anything but will now - my daughter is ICU RN at a major hospital in Lexington whose job has basically become full time covid nurse, and, she doesn't share their views nor is she inclined to get the vaccine (she had the virus back in December).

 

[Wingman68]

What is your deal? Now we’re comparing who knows more docs? No thanks.
If you read what I said it was that it caught my eye and that I made no stance on the info.
I shared it in case anyone found interesting to read. They can make their own opinions. If it’s hoo-hah, then it’s hoo-hah. Don’t try to attach me to something I clearly said I was neither in agreement or disagreement to.
Appears you’re trying to pick an argument.

No, he is just here as a lifeline to struggling Christians who are getting a bad vibe from mean, conservative Christians who frequent the board, like me. At least that’s his story, & he’s sticking to it, heh.

 

[Stratton7]

No, he is just here as a lifeline to struggling Christians who are getting a bad vibe from mean, conservative Christians who frequent the board, like me. At least that’s his story, & he’s sticking to it, heh.

I had a hunch! Guess I’m mean and bad vibe giving too.

 

[thomas15]

No, he is just here as a lifeline to struggling Christians who are getting a bad vibe from mean, conservative Christians who frequent the board, like me. At least that’s his story, & he’s sticking to it, heh.

Well said.

I'm one of those individuals that does strange things...just because. One of those strange things i did was take a college level math class. Nothing weird about that but after completing one class I took another then another. Then I started taking science classes, finally ended up with a degree in biology. This included two semesters of organic and one semester of analytic chemistry. I did this just for "fun". Point is I'm not a scientist too old to change my day job.

Anyway, one of the things that amazes me the most about this demic is the fact that it has such a major impact on us and the media talks about it non-stop and people think they know everything useful there is to know about this virus. But when someone like your antagonist starts lecturing me or giving "life saving" advice the first thing I ask them is to give me a definition of a virus and compare and contrast with say a gram positive bacteria. That usually ends the lecture.

Remembering when this all started it took several days for a lab to determine if an individual was infected. They were using the PCR testing method because we didn't have the DNA sequence mapped out. The inventor of the PCR method, Kary Mullis, who won a Nobel for it back in the early 1990s, has stated basically that Dr. Fauci doesn't know what he is talking about.

Anyone who works in the healthcare industry will have to comply or risk losing their employment. It is true that to some this virus is a real problem. Problem or not we are killing the world economy. The risk to society overall due to the overreaction and mishandling of this virus is a bigger problem than the actual virus.

 

[kyredneck]

Problem or not we are killing the world economy. The risk to society overall due to the overreaction and mishandling of this virus is a bigger problem than the actual virus.

IMO, killing the economy is precisely the grand plan of the socialist globalists.

 

[Stratton7]

IMO, killing the economy is precisely the grand plan of the socialist globalists.

It’s definitely one of the major ones under the guise of this virus imo. Along w/ Marxism, attacks on freedom of speech, religious liberties, Democratic only party from here on out, just, so, much, JUNK.

I’m glad to see all the comments so far and those who have taken the poll.
I went from an absolute no to the vaccine all last year, to a slight lean of a I’ll think about it (after so much pressure from what family I have). I think I’m solidified back in the No Zone now given more additional confirmation on the issues and comments I’ve seen so far.
Plus, it’s my personal observation that I’d be a social experiment or some kind of test puppet given that Bill Gates is supporting this and the population control as one of the things he’s got some kind of twisted interest in.