"Heaven Is for Real"

[Amy.G]

So, it says it nowhere.

Exactly. :wavey:

 

[Jedi Knight]

Exactly. :wavey:

Right on "high fives":smilewinkgrin:

 

[HisWitness]

I have read the book. It is very touching, but alas, another fairy tale. The story of the rich man and Lazarus make several things quite clear. When we die, we either go into the presence of the Lord, or we go to hell. There is no going back to earth from either side, nor is there any crossing over between heaven and hell. This basically means the book is baloney, and it also means, the idea of ghosts roaming the earth are baloney. Ghost Hunters is entertaining, but bull.

actually some would argue that that was a Parable and not literal:thumbsup:

 

[HisWitness]

Acts 14:19 says "they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead."

This is the closest anyone has, which obviously says they thought he was dead. Which means he wasn't. Using language of "supposing" means they were wrong.

So, it says it nowhere.

so explain how and where did Paul go into Paradise and hear unspeakable things that was not lawful for a person to hear ?

 

[annsni]

so explain how and where did Paul go into Paradise and hear unspeakable things that was not lawful for a person to hear ?

The Scriptures just do not say. But Paul never said that he went when they thought he was dead. Since John had a vision when he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, it very well could have happened anytime.

 

[MB]

Anyone ever bought into this book "Heaven Is for Real" or similar like "90 Minutes in Heaven"? I heard someone in my Sunday school said they were all giddy about it. What do you think about "Back From The Dead" stories? BTW I already know my conviction and will share them.

I've read a few different stories about clinical death experiences. I'm not sure if they are real or imagined. Some doctors will tell you it's what the brain does when we start to die. It's being starve of oxygen and causes hallucinations. Which could be true I suppose but that does not explain why some of these recorded experiences are similar in what people claim. Being in a dark tunnel and floating through it towards a bright light is the most common. This one my own mother told the family about after a surgery she had when I was still a teenager. I didn't know what to think of it at the time, I just accepted it because my mother told us about it.

I've read about many of such experiences even a few about people claiming to be in Hell. Though I do not believe God would ever send a Christian to hell even if he could come back and tell us all about his experience as a warning of where we might end up.

The thing about similarities in these experiences is that it makes no difference in what a person believes. I read one of a man from Japan who was a Buddhist who had a pleasant experience in that he to went to Heaven. This one caused me to doubt they are genuine experiences.

One thing for sure these kinds of stories sell really well for a short time
MB

 

[annsni]

I've read a few different stories about clinical death experiences. I'm not sure if they are real or imagined. Some doctors will tell you it's what the brain does when we start to die. It's being starve of oxygen and causes hallucinations. Which could be true I suppose but that does not explain why some of these recorded experiences are similar in what people claim. Being in a dark tunnel and floating through it towards a bright light is the most common. This one my own mother told the family about after a surgery she had when I was still a teenager. I didn't know what to think of it at the time, I just accepted it because my mother told us about it.

I've read about many of such experiences even a few about people claiming to be in Hell. Though I do not believe God would ever send a Christian to hell even if he could come back and tell us all about his experience as a warning of where we might end up.

The thing about similarities in these experiences is that it makes no difference in what a person believes. I read one of a man from Japan who was a Buddhist who had a pleasant experience in that he to went to Heaven. This one caused me to doubt they are genuine experiences.

One thing for sure these kinds of stories sell really well for a short time
MB

The issue is that this young boy never died. Yes, he was being worked on by the doctors but from my understanding, his heart never stopped beating where they had to resucitate him. So how did he have a NDE when he never actually physically nearly died?

 

[HisWitness]

The Scriptures just do not say. But Paul never said that he went when they thought he was dead. Since John had a vision when he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, it very well could have happened anytime.

well it didn't happen anytime--paul said he knew a man(himself) 14 years ago you can trace that 14 years from the time he said that and I believe you got it about the time of the stoning at Lystra--I may be wrong here but I think its about right.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Not a fan of the genre.

If they were dead like Lazarus and came back, or dead like Jesus and came back that's one thing.

But so many of these stories are people that are "clinically" dead - i.e. they were pronounced dead, and perhaps they were "dead" as far as this world is concerned, but they didn't actually DIE.

Not wasting time to read or money to buy those books when I already have the whole story in THE Book.

 

[Yeshua1]

Anyone ever bought into this book "Heaven Is for Real" or similar like "90 Minutes in Heaven"? I heard someone in my Sunday school said they were all giddy about it. What do you think about "Back From The Dead" stories? BTW I already know my conviction and will share them.

problem is that Lazarus and paul were really dead, both had true out of body experiences, yet God recorded for us NOTHING they saw or heard, paul was forbidden to speak it even by God!

if they could not, why trust these others were, especially as much of it contridicts the bible or adds to it?

 

[Jedi Knight]

problem is that Lazarus and paul were really dead, both had true out of body experiences, yet God recorded for us NOTHING they saw or heard, paul was forbidden to speak it even by God!

if they could not, why trust these others were, especially as much of it contridicts the bible or adds to it?

Where do you guys get that Paul died and came back to life?

 

[jbh28]

so explain how and where did Paul go into Paradise and hear unspeakable things that was not lawful for a person to hear ?

what passage?

 

[annsni]

Where do you guys get that Paul died and came back to life?

I believe they were saying that when Paul was stoned and brought out of the city as dead was when he died and came back to life. Or at least that it is a possibility that is what happened.

 

[Jedi Knight]

I believe they were saying that when Paul was stoned and brought out of the city as dead was when he died and came back to life. Or at least that it is a possibility that is what happened.

Jesus replied, "A man went from Jerusalem to Jericho. On the way robbers stripped him, beat him, and left him for dead. Was he really dead? Nope,and to me its clear nether was Paul.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

For once, HisWitness is right. Not about Paul dying, but rather about the stoning at Lystra.

Paul's telling of being caught up into Paradise was in 60 A.D..
The stoning in Lystra was in 45 A.D..

While the dates seem to add up. "Above fourteen years ago," i do not believe Paul was actually dead. The Bible does not say he was dead, only that they supposed him to be dead.

 

[HisWitness]

For once, HisWitness is right. Not about Paul dying, but rather about the stoning at Lystra.

Paul's telling of being caught up into Paradise was in 60 A.D..
The stoning in Lystra was in 45 A.D..

While the dates seem to add up. "Above fourteen years ago," i do not believe Paul was actually dead. The Bible does not say he was dead, only that they supposed him to be dead.

I don't think he actually went into heaven either now---no one at that time hath ascended up but he that came down--Yeshua

IMO--the resurrection had not occurred at that time--and of course I believe everyone was DEAD---no intermediate place for the righteous and evil ones.

of course that means that I think Rich man and laz. was a parable that was putting forth a picture of what was to come after the resurrection of the DEAD.

whether he was alive or dead he heard things unlawful for a man to hear--

:love2::flower::love2::flower:

 

[Steadfast Fred]

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


The Bible says he was caught up into the third heaven, the paradise of God.

Why say he wasn't?

Heard things unlawful to hear? Really? Where does the Bible say that?

 

[Jedi Knight]

problem is that Lazarus and paul were really dead

Paul didn't die twice as you presume...scripture said they "presuming him to be dead"...not he died.

 

[HisWitness]

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


The Bible says he was caught up into the third heaven, the paradise of God.

Why say he wasn't?

Heard things unlawful to hear? Really? Where does the Bible say that?

I find it interesting that he heard--what about saw anything ??
he didn't even know whether he was in the fleshly body or not ??

maybe he was let in on a conversation that was going on up there without being actually there himself---maybe he was symbolizing it as he was there but not was there. ??if he didn't know whether he was in the body or not and just heard things---then how would he actually know in reality where he was ??

 

[HisWitness]

Paul didn't die twice as you presume...scripture said they "presuming him to be dead"...not he died.

some saints of the OT was raised when Yeshua was raised and walked the earth--scripture doesn't say what happened to them--we can speculate on both fronts----but it is a strong possibility they died again after being raised just like lazerus did . :thumbsup::thumbsup:

so there is proof of a person dieing 2 times in their lifetimes-