Off topic post addressing the poster and not the position. Just more smoke screen to hide the fact names have been written in the Lamb's book of life, including mine I believe, since the foundation of the world.
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Well, excuse me....I'm just trying to understand your theology.
I'm not hiding the fact that names were written since the foundation of the world. I agree with you. I'm trying to find out when you think they are written in there.
You've made a gigantic issue out of no one's name was put in the Lamb's book of Life before the foundation of the world. (You've probably posted this over 100 times on Baptist Board in the past year.)
OK, let's assume that is true. The ESV translation of Rev. 13:8 is wrong and no one's name was put in the Lamb's book of Life before the foundation of the world.
So when are people's names put into the Lamb's book of Life? Your answer: "since before the foundation of the world and before the end of the age."
OK, let's assume that is true. But what about people that are not yet born--are their names written in the Lamb's book of Life right now?
No, you consistently present my view erroneously.
Was my actual answer presented? Nope, Here is my actual answer. Since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, when a person is placed in Christ.'
Note the errors in your presentation:
1) You inserted "before" to muddy the waters
2) You left out "when a person is placed in Christ,"
3) You changed to the end of the age to "before the end of the age."
So you ask a question which is answered by my actual answer, people are not written in the Lamb's book of life until they are placed in Christ.
Folks, those that hold to names being entered before creation are just throwing up a smoke screen, using the ploy of running up number of pages .
When are names written the Lamb's book of life?
During the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, when a person is placed in Christ.
When are people placed in Christ? When God puts them in Christ? How does God put them in Christ?
When He spiritually baptizes the into Christ.
When He transfers them from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son.
When He sets them apart in Christ through the sanctification by the Spirit.
All of the above!!!
During the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, when a person is placed in Christ.
When are people placed in Christ? When God puts them in Christ? How does God put them in Christ?
When He spiritually baptizes the into Christ.
When He transfers them from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son.
When He sets them apart in Christ through the sanctification by the Spirit.
All of the above!!!
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Note the effort at deflection, asking questions but not taking a position like God does or does not put unbelievers in Christ.
It is just a smoke screen:
When are names written the Lamb's book of life?
During the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, when a person is placed in Christ.
When are people placed in Christ? When God puts them in Christ? How does God put them in Christ?
When He spiritually baptizes them into Christ.
When He transfers them from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son.
When He sets them apart in Christ through the sanctification by the Spirit.
All of the above!!!
It is just a smoke screen:
When are names written the Lamb's book of life?
During the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, when a person is placed in Christ.
When are people placed in Christ? When God puts them in Christ? How does God put them in Christ?
When He spiritually baptizes them into Christ.
When He transfers them from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son.
When He sets them apart in Christ through the sanctification by the Spirit.
All of the above!!!
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Reformed1689
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Reformed1689
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Not a single Scripture aligns being “placed in Christ” with a name being written down as Van would schemed.
Don’t forget, Van contends that the innate faith of the fallen can actually get God’s attention, and upon some unknown criteria of God should that human generated faith be found worthy aperson then is transferred “into Christ.”
Because the view he clings to is desperately flawed, he then must ignore any presentation that would assign the view as error.
Reformed1689
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Yet another harassment post, asking a question that has been answered again and again.
Yet another revelation of an unstudied view. When did Jesus say the prophets blood had been spilled. Luke 11:50.
Just another denial of the obvious, folks, a smokescreen to hide this truth:
When are names written the Lamb's book of life?
During the period since the foundation of the world to the end of the age, when a person is placed in Christ.
When are people placed in Christ? When God puts them in Christ? How does God put them in Christ?
When He spiritually baptizes them into Christ.
When He transfers them from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son.
When He sets them apart in Christ through the sanctification by the Spirit.
All of the above!!!
Lets go over the OP passage again:
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
1) Where are we? In the heavenly Jerusalem, where the church of the first born is located made up of the "spirits of the righteous made perfect."
2) What is the status of those spirits? They have been made perfect, thus put in Christ, regenerated, and born anew. These spirits have been enrolled in heaven. Thus they were not enrolled before they were made perfect, before being born anew, before being put in Christ, as part of the bride and body of Christ. OTOH, they have been made alive together with Christ, and therefore belong in the Lamb's book of life.
3) Some claim the spirits might have been enrolled before they became members of the church of the firstborn. But that is an absurd and unnatural interpretation. When people are enrolled in something, they are members of that something, a group, church or whatever.
4) Why have so many objected to this mainstream view of the passage? Either they want to claim the OT book of the living (Psalms 69:28) is the Lamb's book of life (Revelation 3:5, 21:27). or they want to claim names were written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world, specifically precluded by Revelation 13:8 and 17:8.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
1) Where are we? In the heavenly Jerusalem, where the church of the first born is located made up of the "spirits of the righteous made perfect."
2) What is the status of those spirits? They have been made perfect, thus put in Christ, regenerated, and born anew. These spirits have been enrolled in heaven. Thus they were not enrolled before they were made perfect, before being born anew, before being put in Christ, as part of the bride and body of Christ. OTOH, they have been made alive together with Christ, and therefore belong in the Lamb's book of life.
3) Some claim the spirits might have been enrolled before they became members of the church of the firstborn. But that is an absurd and unnatural interpretation. When people are enrolled in something, they are members of that something, a group, church or whatever.
4) Why have so many objected to this mainstream view of the passage? Either they want to claim the OT book of the living (Psalms 69:28) is the Lamb's book of life (Revelation 3:5, 21:27). or they want to claim names were written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world, specifically precluded by Revelation 13:8 and 17:8.
Those enrolled had been made perfect, thus since the foundation of the world, after they had been placed in Christ.
There are zero verses which say names are written in the Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world.
Alan Gross
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Lord knows the posters who post twaddle, fabrications, ad hominems, and absurdity.
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