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Hebrews 9:27

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Van

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Mat 11:28-30 (edited)
“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. “For My yoke is beneficial and My burden is light.”

Here we have the invitation, which intervenes with all who hear and understand. Does come to Me refer to mentally embracing Christ as our Lord and Savior, or propelling ourselves into the kingdom of God? Certainly our actions of "taking Christ's "yoke" and learning His commands and instructions is in view.
 

thomas15

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But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matt 6:33
 

MB

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But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matt 6:33
I agree yet Calvinist claim man does not seek God. IMHO there would not be any Christians if this were true.
MB
 

thomas15

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Hebrews 9, 10, 11 and 12:1-3 point out the covenant and justification through faith as the means of redemption for all the elect from Adam onward.

This of course begs the question, why does covenant theology claim for itself all of the covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, New) given (mainly) to the Jews if all the elect (as defined by covenant theology) had the means of redemption from Adam onward?
 

thomas15

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I agree yet Calvinist claim man does not seek God. IMHO there would not be any Christians if this were true.
MB

Yes

Another thing, suppose say that you can't see total depravity in the Bible, you are automatically labeled an Arminian as if it is one or the other. Even John MacArthur speaks of a what I think he calls a "general grace" but somehow that is not the same as Arminian "prevenient grace". I'm sure there is a deep theological distinction out there but how do you discuss it without being called names?
 

AustinC

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I would rather imagine that most of us would agree that eternity in heaven is a bigger gift than being in the land promised to Abraham.

But still...
You don't seem well versed in the Abrahamic Covenant.

And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
~ Genesis 12:2-3

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
~ Galatians 3:7-9

Are you trying to say that the promise made to Abraham in the Abrahamic covenant of his seed being in the land was satisfied when Moses was transfigured?

No, and how did you even come to this conclusion? You could benefit from reading the Abrahamic Covenant in all the places where it is found in scripture. Also, it will benefit you to know that the promise of the Abrahamic Covenant is not meant for Abraham's fleshly descendants, but for the elect of God, those who are Abraham's spiritual descendants by faith.

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
~ Romans 9:6-8


Could we conclude that since Moses was not allowed to enter the land but Joshua and Caleb were, that those two were not under the Sinai Covenant same as Moses?

No we could not. Joshua and all the physical descendants of Jacob (Israel) were under the Sinai/Mosaic Covenant whereby God pronounced blessing upon the nation for obeying all 461 laws and curses upon the nation for disobeying the laws. We read at the end of Joshua where he calls the people to chose. Will they obey the Sinai Covenant or not. Will they serve God or not. The people declare they will, but Joshua tells them they will fail. Why? Because the law doesn't save. The law condemns those who break it.
Moses was disciplined by God for disobeying. His punishment was he could not set foot in the promised land. God, by grace through faith, redeemed Moses through the promise of the Redeemer. Joshua and Caleb were justified the same way. By grace through faith.

thomas15, I encourage you to study the covenants God has made with man. God, through these covenants, established promises. Some are eternal and some are temporary. The Abrahamic Covenant, Davidic Covenant and New Covenant...eternal. The Sinai/Mosaic Covenant... temporary. Jesus fulfilled the Sinai Covenant with his fulfillment of the Law on the cross.
 

AustinC

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But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matt 6:33
You are misusing this verse, out of context. It is a part of Jesus sermon on the mount, given to the elect of Israel, the covenant people.

“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
~ Matthew 6:25-34
 

thomas15

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You are misusing this verse, out of context. It is a part of Jesus sermon on the mount, given to the elect of Israel, the covenant people......................

If there is an elect of Israel then there should be an elect of non-Israel? The Jews are the covenant people, you got that part correct. By the way I mentioned that the Abrahamic,..... covenants were given to the (mainly) the Jews that leaves the part of the nations being blessed through Abrahams seed so perhaps I'm not as uninformed on the covenants as you would hope?
 

AustinC

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If there is an elect of Israel then there should be an elect of non-Israel? The Jews are the covenant people, you got that part correct. By the way I mentioned that the Abrahamic,..... covenants were given to the (mainly) the Jews that leaves the part of the nations being blessed through Abrahams seed so perhaps I'm not as uninformed on the covenants as you would hope?

The church is the elect of God, the Israel of the Abrahamic and New Covenant (Read Romans 9 for clarity). The nation of Israel today (what you call Jews) is no longer in covenant with God. When Jesus said "it is finished" he was saying the fulfillment and payment required of the law was complete. The covenant with the nation Israel was done. We see in Matthew 24 that God was about to wipe out the temple and dissolve the nation Israel in 70CE. The new version formed in 1948CE is not in covenant with God. It is the spirit of antichrist and in direct rebellion against God and God's people, the church. When you read the book of Revelation understand that the book is an encouragement to the church that Jesus is coming and he will avenge the blood of his children who have been slain by the godless who will tremble and hide in caves at his return.

It seems you have likely been raised in a dispensationalist church that is mostly ignorant of the covenants and God's covenant with the church, the people of the promise. You are seeming to struggle with the church being the covenantal people of God for whom all the future blessings are promised. I encourage you to study the covenants and the God who makes covenant with his chosen children.
 

Van

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You keep adding them. Do you think you are God and your added words are inspired?
Your view, if rational, would make God the author of sin, yet illogically you deny it.
You deny the opportunity of salvation brought by the preaching of the gospel, so far from biblical truth to be its antithesis.
Yet at every opportunity your group inflicts your bogus views upon this forum.
 

Van

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In a nutshell,

Calvinism teaches humanity was saved or damned from all eternity for all eternity and there is nothing we can do to alter that outcome for ourselves or our loved ones.

This utter corruption of the good news cannot stand the light of day...
 
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