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Hebrews 9:27

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AustinC

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Van said:
LOL, God providing the lost with the continuing chance for salvation does not make God a God of chance. Your assertion is bogus nonsense.
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God doesn't give chances. He's not a carnival barker hoping you choose his shooting gallery.
God speaks. His sheep hear his voice. It is not chance or chances that cause people to respond to the Gospel. It is God making the person alive with Christ, which causes the sinner to hear God's voice and believe. Chance is for gamblers. God doesn't gamble.
 
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thomas15 said:
That is what reformed covenant theology teaches. Not everyone is rides the reformed covenant train!
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Hebrews 9, 10, 11 and 12:1-3 point out the covenant and justification through faith as the means of redemption for all the elect from Adam onward.
 
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AustinC said:
Hebrews 9, 10, 11 and 12:1-3 point out the covenant and justification through faith as the means of redemption for all the elect from Adam onward.
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It is my understanding that Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land due to an act of disobedience. And yet Hebrews 11:23-29, tells us that Moses was a man of great faith, which is of course, true. You have a covenant relationship with the same God as Moses, may we conclude that your obedience is greater than that of Moses?
 
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AustinC said:
God doesn't give chances. He's not a carnival barker hoping you choose his shooting gallery.
God speaks. His sheep hear his voice. It is not chance or chances that cause people to respond to the Gospel. It is God making the person alive with Christ, which causes the sinner to hear God's voice and believe. Chance is for gamblers. God doesn't gamble.
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Obvious false doctrine which demonstrates the fruit of Calvinism.

Folks, forgiveness gives us all continuing chances to become better servants of our Lord and Master.
And for the lost, God's patience gives them continuing chances to repent and believe.
"Now is the day..." is true today and will be true tomorrow, and our job is to continue to beg the lost, "be reconciled to God."
 
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AustinC

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thomas15 said:
It is my understanding that Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land due to an act of disobedience. And yet Hebrews 11:23-29, tells us that Moses was a man of great faith, which is of course, true. You have a covenant relationship with the same God as Moses, may we conclude that your obedience is greater than that of Moses?
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You can conclude that I am not under the Sinai Covenant as Moses and the nation of Israel was...until the death of Christ Jesus. However, both Moses and I are under the Abrahamic Covenant which promised redemption via the promised one for all nations. Thus, Moses did not physically enter the promised land because he disobeyed God, yet Moses was welcomed in to God's presence because he was justified by faith. It is noteworthy that Moses first time to stand in the promised land was at the transfiguration of Jesus on the mountain. Seeing Moses standing with Elijah and Jesus in the transfiguration we recognize that Moses was redeemed by Jesus and justified by faith...just as you and I are justified.
 
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AustinC

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Van said:
Obvious false doctrine which demonstrates the fruit of Calvinism.

Folks, forgiveness gives us all continuing chances to become better servants of our Lord and Master.
And for the lost, God's patience gives them continuing chances to repent and believe.
"Now is the day..." is true today and will be true tomorrow, and our job is to continue to beg the lost, "be reconciled to God."
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God doesn't forgive the unregenerate.
God graciously forgives and is continually sanctifying the regenerate person whom He has chosen to redeem.
You are not making this distinction.

For the unredeemed, God either has a time when he will graciously give them rebirth or they will die in their sins. God is King. He is not passively sitting on His throne, eating popcorn and waiting for sinners to voluntarily repent of their rebellion. Instead, God is choosing to overthrow their rebellious hearts and destroy their self appointed kingdom of straw.
 
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AustinC said:
God doesn't forgive the unregenerate.
God graciously forgives and is continually sanctifying the regenerate person whom He has chosen to redeem.
You are not making this distinction.

For the unredeemed, God either has a time when he will graciously give them rebirth or they will die in their sins. God is King. He is not passively sitting on His throne, eating popcorn and waiting for sinners to voluntarily repent of their rebellion. Instead, God is choosing to overthrow their rebellious hearts and destroy their self appointed kingdom of straw.
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Complete non biblical nonsense. There is nothing in scripture that says God over throws man's rebellion, There is nothing in scripture that supports your view at all.
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AustinC said:
God doesn't forgive the unregenerate.
God graciously forgives and is continually sanctifying the regenerate person whom He has chosen to redeem.
You are not making this distinction.

For the unredeemed, God either has a time when he will graciously give them rebirth or they will die in their sins. God is King. He is not passively sitting on His throne, eating popcorn and waiting for sinners to voluntarily repent of their rebellion. Instead, God is choosing to overthrow their rebellious hearts and destroy their self appointed kingdom of straw.
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Endless malarkey...

We are regenerated within Christ, thus made alive together with Christ. And how did we get put into Christ, as unregenerates? God credited our faith in Christ as righteousness. While we were not yet made righteous, certainly the purpose of God in placing us into Christ was to forgive us our sins!!!!!
 
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AustinC said:
God doesn't forgive the unregenerate.
God graciously forgives and is continually sanctifying the regenerate person whom He has chosen to redeem.
You are not making this distinction.

For the unredeemed, God either has a time when he will graciously give them rebirth or they will die in their sins. God is King. He is not passively sitting on His throne, eating popcorn and waiting for sinners to voluntarily repent of their rebellion. Instead, God is choosing to overthrow their rebellious hearts and destroy their self appointed kingdom of straw.
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IF the Lord just left us to decide for ourselves, none here would have been saved!
 
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MB said:
Complete non biblical nonsense. There is nothing in scripture that says God over throws man's rebellion, There is nothing in scripture that supports your view at all.
MB
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Your bible does not state that we in opur fallen natures are at war against God and in active rebellion against Him!
 
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MB said:
Complete non biblical nonsense. There is nothing in scripture that says God over throws man's rebellion, There is nothing in scripture that supports your view at all.
MB
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Of course there is. You just reject it. You've been shown the scripture over and over again here at the BB and you argue against it.
 
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Van said:
Endless malarkey...

We are regenerated within Christ, thus made alive together with Christ. And how did we get put into Christ, as unregenerates? God credited our faith in Christ as righteousness. While we were not yet made righteous, certainly the purpose of God in placing us into Christ was to forgive us our sins!!!!!
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Clearly you are enamored with the word "malarkey." It makes me laugh as you use it to reject God's word with a passing sweep of one word.

You proved to us all that you are adding your own words to Romans 5 and then claiming your words are inspired by God. You state a theology not stated by God. It should make you shudder in fear, yet you persist in doubling down in your heresy. May God be our judge. I will stand on God's word, apart from your additions
 
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