Oh I agree
I agree
I disagree equal in error.
But then again where would we find such a volley of sword clashing apart from our C versus A Forum?
HankD
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Hermeneutical Principle in Interpreting Scripture
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Oh I agree
I agree
I disagree equal in error.
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I understand, it is just that their doctrine, contrary to their beliefs, has little to do with grace.
So, man being a fallen creature somehow demeans the image of God? How is our being fallen creatures somehow God's fault?
Asked and answered. No. Total Depravity has nothing at all to do with mankind being created in the image and likeness of God. Our fallen nature is the consequence of Adam's sin (and, of course, ours too).
When God created man (Genesis 2:7) He did something for man He did not do for any other of his creation. He breathed into mankind His breath of Life. The result is that man has not only a physical, material, body, as do all those in the animal kingdom, but we also have an immaterial soul/spirit.
Having been made in the image and likeness of God simply means that God made us to resemble Himself, Who is Spirit. We, like Him, can live without a body. Because of this creative resemblance, we are rational, volitional beings. We can think, reason and choose. This is a reflection of God’s intellect and freedom. In that we are unique among all of earth's life forms, which live, not by reason, intellect, and rational choices, but by instinct and reaction of stimuli.
The fall did not negate our reason, intellect, or ability to make choices. Our reason is now bent away from loving God, but it is still there. Our intellect is bent away from believing God, but it is still there. Our choices are bent toward rejecting God, but they are still there.
Sorry for the lecture, but you brought out the old Seminary Professor in me. #triggered
He didn't say that and you know it.
See my response to Hank, above.
It was a question. Notice the little curly-que at the end (?)?
No but sometimes what these fallen creatures say can be taken to be a demeaning of His image.
Never said it was - ibid. above.
Not a problem! Thank you for the excellent hermeneutic of the full definition of "Total Depravity"Asked and answered. No. Total Depravity has nothing at all to do with mankind being created in the image and likeness of God. Our fallen nature is the consequence of Adam's sin (and, of course, ours too).
When God created man (Genesis 2:7) He did something for man He did not do for any other of his creation. He breathed into mankind His breath of Life. The result is that man has not only a physical, material, body, as do all those in the animal kingdom, but we also have an immaterial soul/spirit.
Having been made in the image and likeness of God simply means that God made us to resemble Himself, Who is Spirit. We, like Him, can live without a body. Because of this creative resemblance, we are rational, volitional beings. We can think, reason and choose. This is a reflection of God’s intellect and freedom. In that we are unique among all of earth's life forms, which live, not by reason, intellect, and rational choices, but by instinct and reaction of stimuli.
The fall did not negate our reason, intellect, or ability to make choices. Our reason is now bent away from loving God, but it is still there. Our intellect is bent away from believing God, but it is still there. Our choices are bent toward rejecting God, but they are still there.
Sorry for the lecture, but you brought out the old Seminary Professor in me. #triggered
HankD
All of Grace. None of me.
Death as Calvinists define it from the bible, and how non cals define it!
Have we died in our sin natures or not though?
Our sin natures are!
No Calvinist that I am aware of teaches that though. We would see that we are now spiritual dead in our sin natures, but still in image of God in that we can still think, feel, have emotions etc!
No, for the son was always still the son of the father!
We are indeed like lazarus, dead until the voice of God wakes us back up!
Uh no scripture doesnt bear that out
Oh? So the sin only corrupted the totality of our spirit but not the rest?
All of us were corrupted y the fall of Adam,. but corruption does not mean that we lost being humans, but that we now having sin natures no longer have the capability to freely save ourselves!
Jesus said that the son stayed the son, so he was never lost, just confused!
I don't know of anyone who believes that.
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