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Hero pastor with a gun

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1689Dave

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canadyjd said:
Well, I think Jesus told Peter to put away his sword after Peter cut off a servant's ear trying to protect Jesus from being arrested, not this pastor.

This question has been around for 2000 years. Are Christians allowed to defend themselves with force?

Clearly, scripture tells us that in cases of religious persecution the answer is no. Christians should not fight back. They persecuted Jesus, it will persecute you.

What about self-defense in non religious persecution events? If someone breaks into my home and attacks my wife or daughter, as a Christian can I protect them to the best of my ability?

Can I use force to restrain or engage the attackers for just a few moments, giving my family a chance to get away?

What if, during that struggle, the attacker hits his head and dies? Have I acted against the commands of Jesus by protecting my family? Have I committed murder?
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I see many what if situations, but an unwillingness to take the cross and follow Jesus. You cannot take the sword and follow Jesus. You must take the cross. The Pastor decided against following Jesus when he bought a weapon designed specifically for killing people. And you are committing yourself to the same by praising his actions.
 
canadyjd

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1689Dave said:
I see many what if situations, but an unwillingness to take the cross and follow Jesus. You cannot take the sword and follow Jesus. You must take the cross. The Pastor decided against following Jesus when he bought a weapon designed specifically for killing people. And you are committing yourself to the same by praising his actions.
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Well, I disagree with much of what you have said.

Buying a handgun doesn't mean you have decided not to follow Jesus, and my disagreement with you doesnt mean I'm choosing to not follow Jesus.

I do respect your opinion on this and many other issues, but linking my commitment to Christ to agreeing with you is...... well it's just inappropriate.

A handgun is not designed to kill people. A handgun is designed to expel a bullet at high volicity. People decide how to use it. This pastor used it to save lives. Hero
 
1689Dave

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canadyjd said:
Well, I disagree with much of what you have said.

Buying a handgun doesn't mean you have decided not to follow Jesus, and my disagreement with you doesnt mean I'm choosing to not follow Jesus.

I do respect your opinion on this and many other issues, but linking my commitment to Christ to agreeing with you is...... well it's just inappropriate.

A handgun is not designed to kill people. A handgun is designed to expel a bullet at high volicity. People decide how to use it. This pastor used it to save lives. Hero
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So all of those who died upholding Christ's command not to return evil for evil did so in vain? If you take the sword, you follow a different Jesus than those who take the cross.
 
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1689Dave said:
How does your position square with Jesus telling the Pastor to put away the sword and take the cross?
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God ordered the Jews to kill in the OT, and God stated that there is indeed justifiable killing permitted, but not outright murder.
 
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John of Japan said:
You clearly don't understand plain English. Acting in self defense and/or defense of others is not murder in any way, shape, or form: legally, morally, ethically, Biblically. Do you have a dictionary? Look up the word "murder," and try not to slander a good man next time.
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God permits justifiable killing, see the OT, but He always saw Murder as being a capital Crime.
 
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canadyjd said:
Well, I think Jesus told Peter to put away his sword after Peter cut off a servant's ear trying to protect Jesus from being arrested, not this pastor.

This question has been around for 2000 years. Are Christians allowed to defend themselves with force?

Clearly, scripture tells us that in cases of religious persecution the answer is no. Christians should not fight back. They persecuted Jesus, it will persecute you.

What about self-defense in non religious persecution events? If someone breaks into my home and attacks my wife or daughter, as a Christian can I protect them to the best of my ability?

Can I use force to restrain or engage the attackers for just a few moments, giving my family a chance to get away?

What if, during that struggle, the attacker hits his head and dies? Have I acted against the commands of Jesus by protecting my family? Have I committed murder?
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God Himself see the case for justifiable killing, but not for murder!
 
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1689Dave said:
I see many what if situations, but an unwillingness to take the cross and follow Jesus. You cannot take the sword and follow Jesus. You must take the cross. The Pastor decided against following Jesus when he bought a weapon designed specifically for killing people. And you are committing yourself to the same by praising his actions.
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The gun was not made for express purpose to kill, as guns are neutral, they do what the user has them to do!
So a soldier in our military, under fire by Islamic terrorists, who want to capture and chop his head off, cannot use self defense?
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
The gun was not made for express purpose to kill, as guns are neutral, they do what the user has them to do!
So a soldier in our military, under fire by Islamic terrorists, who want to capture and chop his head off, cannot use self defense?
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This reminds me of Clinton saying he smoked marijuana but did not inhale......
 
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Yeshua1

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1689Dave said:
Right..... Like Clinton says, he had pot but didn't even think about inhaling it.............
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Should police and the militray be allowed to have guns, or do you advocate just blowing on whistles and yelling stop?
 
1689Dave

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Yeshua1 said:
There are NO scriptures that state I cannot own a gun to hunt with, or todefend my family with!
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If you plan on using a gun on another human being, you already told Christ you are not taking the cross, but the sword instead.
 
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1689Dave said:
If you plan on using a gun on another human being, you already told Christ you are not taking the cross, but the sword instead.
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I am using the weapon God provided for me to have in order to protect my family and others!
 
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