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Rippon

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I offer this from a doctoral candidate at Calvin Theological Seminary, one Mark J. Larson (recognize the name?).

And finally, the italicized portion of that enclosed quote from Larson is a footnote to this very lengthy paper Larson wrote detailing how Calvin usurped the powers of the Genevan Council and essentially dictated via an unofficial theocracy how the city-state would be run.
Larson's mentor was Dr. Muller. He submitted his doctorial to R.A.M.

You are very confused. Larson stated "Calvin in his political doctrine did not espouse a theocratic government."

In the abstract of his thesis he "demonstrates that Calvin opposed autocratic government in each sphere."

Pastor Larson is against the interpretation that Calvin was a "bellicose tyrant,harsh and autocratic in his iron-fisted rule over Geneva."

I guess it's not surprising that you mixed things up again since you completely reversed the major point of Dr. Muller in the past. Naturally you would be in a quandary about his pupil as well.
 

Rippon

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They are as Calvinistic as any "Reformed" church I am acquainted with if not more so.


This is from the "First Christian Reformed Church" which defines itself as a "Dutch Reformed" church.

But they are Reformed, nevertheless.
Wrong. They are not the least bit Reformed from what I have gleaned. You will not find any conservative Presbyterian church leaders from the PCA or OPC, for instance, who would dare to call the First Christian Reformed Church Reformed.
 

DHK

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Wrong. They are not the least bit Reformed from what I have gleaned. You will not find any conservative Presbyterian church leaders from the PCA or OPC, for instance, who would dare to call the First Christian Reformed Church Reformed.
It was EWF that was asking about Dutch Reformed churches. I pointed out a couple to him. One of them has in their Sunday School curricula, Faith Alive series, a book on Calvinism, which is described thusly:
People who are investigating Christianity will eventually encounter "deeper" truths about sin, salvation, and living the Christian life. These doctrines, taught by the Reformed theologian John Calvin, are sometimes called the "five points of Calvinism," or T.U.L.I.P.In F.A.I.T.H. Unfolded, Jim Osterhouse takes a fresh look at the doctrines of grace through the lens of Scripture. He emerges with a new acronym—F.A.I.T.H—and unfolds the riches of God's truth for a new generation.
F.A.I.T.H. Unfolded can be used in pastor's classes, small discussion groups, or for individual study. The content has also been condensed into pamphlet form (sold separately) for personal or evangelistic use.
Sounds Calvinistic to me. Almost anything under the banner of "Reformed" is Calvinistic.



You may be interested in these churches:
REFORMED/PRESBYTERIAN CHURCHES

Although “reformed” often refers to all churches which were shaped by the Reformation of the 16th century, there were already by the end of that century ecclesiae reformatae which distinguished themselves under that name from the Lutheran churches. The distinctions were both in doctrine and in form of church government.
These churches were often described as Zwinglian or Calvinist, names the churches themselves resisted, declaring that they sought to be reformed according to the word of God.* While grateful for the witness of the reformers, they were convinced that a reformed church is also semper reformanda (always to be reformed) in accordance with the divine purpose.
When the Swiss reformation spread to Scotland, great emphasis came to be laid upon achieving a polity which was both scriptural and effective for continuous reformation (see church order ). Presbyterianism was held by many to be such a polity, while courageous minority groups opted for a Congregational order, over against the authority of either bishop or council. From this historical development there emerged the churches of continental Europe called Reformed and those of Great Britain and Ireland called Presbyterian or Congregational/Independent.
Along the paths of exile and in the
settlements of trade and empire, the European movement steadily expanded throughout the world. The World Alliance of
Reformed Churches* reported, in 2001, 215 churches with well over 70 million members and adherents in 107 countries.
http://www.religion-religions.com/h...300&religion=Christianity&subof=christian0005
They are as Calvinistic as one can get!
 

Rippon

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I offer this from a doctoral candidate at Calvin Theological Seminary, one Mark J. Larson

And finally, the italicized portion of that enclosed quote from Larson is a footnote to this very lengthy paper Larson wrote detailing how Calvin usurped the powers of the Genevan Council and essentially dictated via an unofficial theocracy how the city-state would be run.

If this isn't enough, I can post more. You are welcome to continue to deny Calvin had anything to do with running the city-state of Geneva if you wish,
Boy,you just dug yourself a big hole. Larson's view is mine. Your interpretation is the opposite of what Larson so plainly wrote. I am pressed for time now. But I will be back later showing how utterly wrong you are. He wrote in clear,understandable English --and yet you inverted things --just as you did with Dr. Muller.
 
I guess it's not surprising that you mixed things up again since you completely reversed the major point of Dr. Muller in the past. Naturally you would be in a quandary about his pupil as well.
Epic fail. Quite obviously Larson's earlier work speaks for itself. you cannot deny he states that Calvin took over Geneva's government in that paper, regardless of what he may have said later. Be fun to know who "influenced" him to change his mind.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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It was EWF that was asking about Dutch Reformed churches. I pointed out a couple to him. One of them has in their Sunday School curricula, Faith Alive series, a book on Calvinism, which is described thusly:

Sounds Calvinistic to me. Almost anything under the banner of "Reformed" is Calvinistic.



You may be interested in these churches:

http://www.religion-religions.com/h...300&religion=Christianity&subof=christian0005
They are as Calvinistic as one can get!

Terrible choice of color for that background! Anyway, the last time I stepped foot in one of those Dutch Churches, they informed me "That if your not Dutch, you aren't much" ......and since Im not, I chose not to go back.
 

Rippon

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I offer this from a doctoral candidate at Calvin Theological Seminary, one Mark J. Larson. John Calvin And Genevan Presbyterianism

"The highest level of punishment which could be measured out by the consistory was excommunication."

"...the undying misrepresentation of Calvin as being an autocrat..."

"Finally, concerning the judicial power of the consistory, should be noted that its highest punishment was excommunication...Calvin and the rest of the consistory never put a single heretic (including Servetus),a single murderer, or a single adulterer to death. They may have concurred with a particular execution, but it was the Small Council alone which had the power of the supreme penalty of capital punishment."

[The above three quotes are from page 67]

"This specified limitation upon the power of the consistory --this separation between the jurisdiction of the ministers, on the one hand, and the jurisdiction of the magistrates on the other was in sharp contrast to the previous history of Geneva when it was ruled by a prince-bishop, who possessed both civil and ecclesiastical authority." (p.68)
 

Rippon

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Quite obviously Larson's earlier work speaks for itself.
Yes, it does so quite clearly. But you haven't mastered the fine art of reading comprehension.

you cannot deny he states that Calvin took over Geneva's government in that paper,
Of course I can. Larson says no such thing as you so absurdly maintain.
regardless of what he may have said later.
Duh, it is from his very same work that he opposes what you claim he states!

Your ammo blew up in your face TND. :)
 

Rippon

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M. J. Larson:John Calvin and Genevan Presbyterianism

"The highest level of punishment which could be measured out by the consistory was excommunication."

"...the undying misrepresentation of Calvin as being an autocrat..."

"Finally, concerning the judicial power of the consistory, should be noted that its highest punishment was excommunication...Calvin and the rest of the consistory never put a single heretic (including Servetus),a single murderer, or a single adulterer to death. They may have concurred with a particular execution, but it was the Small Council alone which had the power of the supreme penalty of capital punishment."

[The above three quotes are from page 67]

"This specified limitation upon the power of the consistory --this separation between the jurisdiction of the ministers, on the one hand, and the jurisdiction of the magistrates on the other was in sharp contrast to the previous history of Geneva when it was ruled by a prince-bishop, who possessed both civil and ecclesiastical authority." (p.68)
The above is worth repeating. I want to thank TND for initially pointing me to this pastor/author. He's excellent.
 
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