Holt ministry celebrates its love of God - and beer

If you think that drinking alcoholic beverages in any amount is a sin, then it is a sin for you do so. However, when we use God's Word as our objective standard we understand that drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation is not a sin.

 

This post has really blessed my heart. Thank you.

 

It is in mine own Biblical studies that has convinced me that it is as sure a sin as if I took a knife to my own throat. As soon as the knife pierced my skin and went no deeper. Is it wrong to let another know where they stand on an issue even though they do not see it in the same light as you? If my stance is a stance of untruth then my stance is what it is and no harm is done to any one. Except that I go into eternity without the taste of a beer on my tung. I guess to some beer drinkers that would be a sin. :laugh:

 

Well, for those folks it would be like taking an airplane ride in first class and skipping the meal because they didn't realize that it came with the airplane ride.

 

Funny, Thanks Ken.
I have a confession that might shock some here. I actually cook with wine. Not often but on occasion. :saint:

 

The poison cooks out from what I have been told.

 

1co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Ga 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Ga 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Ga 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. I don't know about yall. But I want to go to heaven

 

Yes,
Sometimes in my business someone gives a gift of wine. I graciously state that I am not a drinker but I do know a recipe that it should be great in. I have as yet to buy any in public and likely never will.

 

I certainly see no problem with that. And, for the record, I have drank hardly any alcoholic beverages in my lifetime, the total amount could be placed in a single glass, and it's been well over 35 years since I have any any alcoholic beverage touch my lips.

 

As long as we are in confession mode. My parents had just joined a small Baptist Church that was holding communion. I was saved at the age of 9 and the Church had a closed communion but I was eligible to partake. My parents were not allowed to partake as Dad had a disagreement with them on some doctrinal issues. They were a very judgmental congregation. Anyway they served wine in the communion. Anyone here knows that the little glass holds less than a teaspoon of liquid. So when they passed the tray to us we downed it like good little Baptists and I felt it go down all the way to my 12 year old belly, then I felt warm all over. My sister, bless her little 8 year old self spewed it out and hollered out, "What was that?". We were used to Welches. :laugh:
That was my first experience with wine and from then own I did not like it. A beer I have never had. It wasn't like I did not have opportunity it's just that it does not appeal to me. Thank God, because there are a lot of things that I have to deal with other than an alcoholic addiction. An addiction that just might bring to the surface things that I do not want to see. Remember that God does not let us get tempted by the things that could easily beset us. If that little glass could make me feel warm then I don't want to know what a full 8oz glass might do.
As an adult my wife and I attended a wedding of a relative on her side. Unknown to us the punch had Champagne in it. The taste was funny but it did not register until about the middle of the cup I got that warm feeling again. I sat the cup down and just smiled at every one. :laugh:
Well that's just about it then.

Boy! Confession is really good for the soul. I've been carrying that weight around too long.:thumbs:

 

Ounce for ounce, caffeine affects the mind more than alcohol. Fact.

 

If someone can define alcohol as sin...but have no problem with the drug called caffeine in their church, I'm sorry, but that's being hypocritical.

I didn't know you are a moderater now

 

Why? He made a "product" of fish and bread that could have lead to gluttony! I dont' see anybody saying Christ "tempted" the crowds to become gluttons.

 

Your post implies man created fermentation. Fermentation begins to take place IMMEDIATELY upon a grape being plucked by the natural yeast on the skin. Man didn't create wine / fermentation....God did.

 

Funny, I have never read in the papers of anyone being killed by a driver under the influence of coffee.

12 fluid ounces of alcohol numbs the taste buds and dulls the senses. The same amount of caffeine does not have this effect.

 

Havenstadt provides Scripture...you provide opinion and flawed logic. I'll stick with Scripture.

Also, our Lord will provide what Christ confims is the "best" wine in Isaiah 25:6...the WELL AGED wine. I have yet to see someone state a juice that is well aged being the best. If this were the case, there would not be expiration dates on bottles of juice since the well aged juice is the best

 

You contradict yourself. You state any alcohol is sin...but condone it's use medicinally.

 

So now you use something you deem sinful to cook with? That's like saying you buy Playboy to use as litter compost, or marijuana plants to decorate your atrium.