Holy Spirit in OT believers, or upon OT believers?

[Dave...]

The contention between people is the capacity in which the Prophets, and some kings etc. had the Holy Spirit. It's not taught in Scripture that the general Old Testament believer had this, no matter how one defines what the prophets, kings and a few others had. The common believer had the presence of God when those Prophets etc. who had the Holy Spirit were near them. They had the presence of God in the Temple, and they had the presence of God in Jesus, God incarnate. So, setting the common believer aside, unless one wants to offer Biblical proof that indicates something other that what I wrote here.

I want to get into some of these proof verses used to prove that the holy Spirit was in OT Prophets. Start with these.

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Genesis 41:38, This is Pharaoh recognizing that the Spirit of God is working through Joseph. It's Pharaohs perspective recorded, and he could not know if the Spirit of God was in Joseph or upon him. He only recognized that what happened through Joseph was from God, not Joseph. It's called a 'narrative description' rather than a source for strict systematic doctrine. This does not teach that the Holy Spirit was in him.
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Numbers 27:18 There is no "the" before the word "spirit" in the original languages of this passage, only "spirit". KJV translators added "the" it to make the English smoother, and was never added to make the claim the the Spirit was within him. It literally reads "a man in whom is spirit". The lack of the definite article has most credible theologians agreeing that that passage is speaking of a quality, or attitude of spirit. However, in Numbers 11:17, we see how the Hebrew language works when they want to specify the Divine source, they use a definite article. Speaking to Moses.....Numbers 11:17 " Then I will come down and talk with you there. I will take of the Spirit that is upon you and will put the same upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you may not bear it yourself alone." This is not teaching that the holy spirit was in him.
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Isaiah 63:11 KJV reflects back to that same Numbers 11:17. Remember, "upon you", and "upon them" from Numbers 11:17? Same people. The literal translation options for Isaiah 63:11 are "in the midst," "the inner part," or "among them". When applied to the camp of Israel, a collective group (which is what "within him" from Isaiah 63:11 is speaking of), it's always translated "in the midst", or "among them". Remember, the singular suffix ("his") in Isaiah 63:11 refers to the corporate body of Israel.

 

[Ben1445]

John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


The Holy Spirit was not given as we have received Him now until after the ascension of Jesus Christ.

(Not sure how this is an Arminian-Calvinist issue)

 

[kyredneck]

2011 - Were OT Saints Indwelt?

 

[Armchair Apologist]

I know that the indwelling Holy Spirit is very much a distinction of New Testament believers. In the Old Testament, you had the "Shekinah Glory" presence of God in the temple and it was for this reason that OT Believers prayed toward this temple because they were praying towards the very presence of God according to their understanding.

In the New Testament, we have the indwelling Holy Spirt and for a NT Believer, their very body IS the temple of the Holy Ghost!

We have this distinction and some try to associate this with "regeneration" and with David's prayer to "Take not thine Holy Spirit from me," some assumed such meant that one could actually "lose their salvation" in the OT which I adamantly reject. Regeneration is regeneration and justification is justification.

Men were "Annointed" for a special calling or task in the OT and I am not against associating such to NT believers (cultivating, exercising of spiritual gifts?). Such an annointing was different from the "seal of the Holy Spirit" and its being the "earnest of our inheritance" and so forth. I therefore believe that when David pleaded with God to "take not thine Holy Spirit from me" he was speaking of his annointing to be king and the covenant that God had established with him. God had taken this very same annointing from Saul and I'm certain David was quite mindful of this as he made this plea!

 

[Dave...]

2011 - Were OT Saints Indwelt?

That work by Hamilton sounds familiar. I'm sure that I've read it before, but a long time ago. One thing that I find odd about this whole debate is there is never a verse in the OT that I know of that says that actual believers were indwelt in the OT. The OT always uses people who were commanded by God to accomplish something (not coming to faith) who had the Spirit put upon them. Some people think that "upon" and "in" are the same thing. Some people think that it's the NT that allows the Spirit of God to have a union with the Spirit of Christ, but I've seen the Holy Spirit called the Spirit of Christ in the OT. Jonah comes to mind. I still suspect that there could be a difference beyond the obvious in relationship between believer and the Holy Spirit from the OT Holy Spirit and the NT Holy Spirit, something having to do with the works of Christ being accomplished. I believe the Holy Spirit coming upon at Pentecost would be explained by that. Either the disciples actually received the Holy Spirit Promised indwelling when Jesus breathed on them (still after the death and resurrection, but before the ascension), which could explain the "upon" in early Acts, or something else is going on. The translations are not always the best, so that's always something to keep an eye on.

I try to use the clear scripture to make a path, then I take a second look at some of the stuff that does line up perfect. There just so much that defines what happened at Pentecost, it's hard to rewrite all that for a few passages that don't line up perfectly.

Some people appeal to David asking the Father not to take His Spirit from Him, but that passage does not specify indwelling. And there are so many verses speaking of the coming of the Holy spirit, not a dose, but the actual indwelling, which is what the baptism with the Holy Spirit is.

 

[kyredneck]

“…When I consider passages such as this:

I rejoice at thy word, As one that findeth great spoil. Ps 119:162

or this:

But his delight is in the law of Jehovah; And on his law doth he meditate day and night. Ps 1:2

or these:

16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word. GIMEL.
18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold Wondrous things out of thy law. Ps 119

...and then consider that those OT Saints had only a fraction of the scriptures that we have; it was incomplete and lacking the fulfillment/revelation of the NT, and yet they were able to derive great joy and delight from meditating in the law. I don't think the natural man void of the Spirit could derive that sort of pleasure from those incomplete writings (or even in the Bible we have today for that matter), the Spirit had to be the source of the joy.

jmho…”

 

[YeshuaistheLord]

I know that the indwelling Holy Spirit is very much a distinction of New Testament believers. In the Old Testament, you had the "Shekinah Glory" presence of God in the temple and it was for this reason that OT Believers prayed toward this temple because they were praying towards the very presence of God according to their understanding.

In the New Testament, we have the indwelling Holy Spirt and for a NT Believer, their very body IS the temple of the Holy Ghost!

We have this distinction and some try to associate this with "regeneration" and with David's prayer to "Take not thine Holy Spirit from me," some assumed such meant that one could actually "lose their salvation" in the OT which I adamantly reject. Regeneration is regeneration and justification is justification.

Men were "Annointed" for a special calling or task in the OT and I am not against associating such to NT believers (cultivating, exercising of spiritual gifts?). Such an annointing was different from the "seal of the Holy Spirit" and its being the "earnest of our inheritance" and so forth. I therefore believe that when David pleaded with God to "take not thine Holy Spirit from me" he was speaking of his annointing to be king and the covenant that God had established with him. God had taken this very same annointing from Saul and I'm certain David was quite mindful of this as he made this plea!

The Holy Spiirt came upon Prophets Kings Priests but for specific tasks and calling not indwelling and sealed in all it seems

 

[Dave...]

“…When I consider passages such as this:

I rejoice at thy word, As one that findeth great spoil. Ps 119:162

or this:

But his delight is in the law of Jehovah; And on his law doth he meditate day and night. Ps 1:2

or these:

16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word. GIMEL.
18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold Wondrous things out of thy law. Ps 119

...and then consider that those OT Saints had only a fraction of the scriptures that we have; it was incomplete and lacking the fulfillment/revelation of the NT, and yet they were able to derive great joy and delight from meditating in the law. I don't think the natural man void of the Spirit could derive that sort of pleasure from those incomplete writings (or even in the Bible we have today for that matter), the Spirit had to be the source of the joy.

jmho…”

The Light

He could if that Word was a light. Just like Jesus was the Word, and the Word became flesh. The Word which was light, became flesh, which was still light. could the Word be the same as the presence of God?

Psalms 36:9 For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light we see light.

Psalm 19:8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;

I think that's why the OT was mostly in type, because they could not see it any other way. It was laid out in pictures. That's why they didn't really have a true understanding of the deeper truths until the NT indwelling, which is where a person is indwelt, placed into Christ, and as a result, placed into His death and raised up with Him, born again (Romans 6:3-11).

John 16:12-15 I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

They only needed enough light to be drawn and believe. They can get that without the indwelling and without being born again. Jesus kind of shed some light on the belief part here. Speaking of Himself, the light again...(I believe the emphasis should be on the presence of God), He said this...

John 12:34-36 The people answered Him, "We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up'? Who is this Son of Man?" Then Jesus said to them, "A little while longer the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going. While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." These things Jesus spoke, and departed, and was hidden from them.

Could a person receive light without the Spirit within them? I think so, since the Spirit was not yet given when Jesus said that. I think it's important to make a distinction between believing, and the life we receive as a result, also sometimes called faith. I know the Calvinist way is to see them both as a the same, but I think the Bible makes a distinction between the two, believing, and the life, called faith that results. We should too. To apply a specific verse that's speaking of the initial faith, to the ongoing faith, the life, or the ongoing faith, to the initial believing, or both, is going to create what Calvinism does. The life is the distinction between the two. Believe and receive the life with the indwelling. Initial believing can still be from God, but it's not from being born again. Being born again is the result of believing. I believe that there is a prevenient grace, albeit limited in the OT, from the Light.

Here's one verse of more that makes the distinction. Remember, believe and receive the indwelling (Ephesians 1:13-14, Galatians 3:2-3), is the same as believe and receive the life. Which is the same as a Gospel message, believe and receive eternal life (John 3:16). We don't have life without the Holy Spirit indwelling (Romans 8:9-11).

OT-John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

The light can be a source of joy. His Word is a light to my path. The Word is light. Jesus is light, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word became flesh. Jesus said that if they believed Moses, they would believe Him, because Moses testified of Him. a lot to be joyful for, even if they were not born again.

Just to throw a wrench into the equation. We are called to count it all joy, even suffering. Job, the Lord gives, and the Lord takes away, blessed be the name of the Lord.

Dave

 

[Dave...]

I know that the indwelling Holy Spirit is very much a distinction of New Testament believers. In the Old Testament, you had the "Shekinah Glory" presence of God in the temple and it was for this reason that OT Believers prayed toward this temple because they were praying towards the very presence of God according to their understanding.

In the New Testament, we have the indwelling Holy Spirt and for a NT Believer, their very body IS the temple of the Holy Ghost!

We have this distinction and some try to associate this with "regeneration" and with David's prayer to "Take not thine Holy Spirit from me," some assumed such meant that one could actually "lose their salvation" in the OT which I adamantly reject. Regeneration is regeneration and justification is justification.

Men were "Annointed" for a special calling or task in the OT and I am not against associating such to NT believers (cultivating, exercising of spiritual gifts?). Such an annointing was different from the "seal of the Holy Spirit" and its being the "earnest of our inheritance" and so forth. I therefore believe that when David pleaded with God to "take not thine Holy Spirit from me" he was speaking of his annointing to be king and the covenant that God had established with him. God had taken this very same annointing from Saul and I'm certain David was quite mindful of this as he made this plea!

AA

I would add to that it's only assumed that David was indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Based on the entire OT, I believe it's more proper to assume that the Holy Spirit was upon David, as He was only 'upon' with all the other Prophets and kings, etc. according to the testimony of Scripture. In that way, the Holy Spirit could still be taken away, but it would not be God's NT seal broken.

Also, I believe that the reason that OT believers were not indwelt (NT believers called the Temple of the Holy Spirit), is because there was no blood to cleanse the Temple [of the Holy Spirit], us. After the DRA, the Holy Spirit can enter a believer with the blood of Christ. Until then, I don't think that God could join himself with us because we were unclean without that blood. The Temple in the OT, and the Tabernacle etc., pictures this necessity of purity to be in the presence of the Holy of Holies. this is why OT believers, both physically dead and physically alive, had to wait to receive that promise.

This is why no OT believers where allowed in the presence of God until the DRA. (Hebrews 11:39-40, John 3:13-14)

This is why the Holy Spirit could only be upon some in the OT, but not in them, me thinks.

Dave

 

[Dave...]

15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite. Isa 57

See Gal 4:28-29:

"Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now.

from the link provided by @kyredneck from page one.

In English

Galatians 4:28-29 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.

The birth of Isaac was a miracle, thus he was born of the Spirit. This doesn't doesn't mean that he was born again. Contrasted with Ishmael's birth with was anormal birth, thus from the flesh. It's an allegory. Ishmael represents trying to please God through the legalism, the Law, the flesh. Isaac represents our receiving life as a gift from God, grace.

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Isaiah 57:15 For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: "I dwell in the high and holy place, With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

The Hebrew reader would immediately connect this passage to the physical Temple and the role of the Prophets within the community (Holy Spirit upon Prophets, Kings, etc., provides the presence of God for all who are around them). God cares more about the human heart than the condition of a Temple. This points directly to the NT indwelling. But is not the indwelling itself.

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It's just another example of the power of this presence of God, like with Jonah, who had the Spirit of Christ with Him (the Holy Spirit), and would not have converted Nineveh, a Gentile nation, without that Light of the presence of the Spirit of God and His Word. With the Spirit of Christ resting upon Jonah, he became a walking Temple of God,, though God was not within Him, like He is with all believers in the NT. The Light that was with Jonah outshone the vessel. It's really cool and far reaching in Scripture when you think about it.

We in the NT have this light in us to draw people with it's spiritual power. That's what Jesus was trying to articulate when he said that a light doesn't hide under the table, speaking of us believers. He is the Light, His Word is the Light. And "you will have power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you" at Pentecost. The power is the light within us.

 

[Its_real_for me !]

Luke 3:22 King James Version​

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Yes three in one but God sent the holy Ghost in a bodily shape, a bodily shape signifying the spirit not yet accessible until the accension.

 

[David Lamb]

Luke 3:22 King James Version​

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Yes three in one but God sent the holy Ghost in a bodily shape, a bodily shape signifying the spirit not yet accessible until the accension.

Yet we read that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit long before he baptised Jesus:

NKJV Luk 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

 

[Its_real_for me !]

Yet we read that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit long before he baptised Jesus:

NKJV Luk 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

He was the only one before birth Dave, but it wasn't until the ascension that believers received the spirit. Either A you are not well versed in theology or B you are not a true believer Dave and are involved in some sort of other denomination that is not the church of Christ.

 

[David Lamb]

He was the only one before birth Dave, but it wasn't until the ascension that believers received the spirit. Either A you are not well versed in theology or B you are not a true believer Dave and are involved in some sort of other denomination that is not the church of Christ.

Well there were plenty of people in the Old Testament who had the Holy Spirit. Just a few examples:

NKJV Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,

Psa 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
(How could God take the Holy Spirit from David if David did not have the Holy Spirit?)

Exo 31:3 And I have filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Num 24:2 And Balaam raised his eyes, and saw Israel encamped according to their tribes; and the Spirit of God came upon him

I assure you that I have been a believer for over 50 years, having by God's grace put my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour. I am a Baptist.

 

[Its_real_for me !]

Well there were plenty of people in the Old Testament who had the Holy Spirit. Just a few examples:

NKJV Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,

Psa 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
(How could God take the Holy Spirit from David if David did not have the Holy Spirit?)

Exo 31:3 And I have filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Num 24:2 And Balaam raised his eyes, and saw Israel encamped according to their tribes; and the Spirit of God came upon him

I assure you that I have been a believer for over 50 years, having by God's grace put my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour. I am a Baptist.

Ok ya got me, Christ had all authority after his resurrection, but only at the right hand of the father was he able to pour out the spirit to believers. So... the OP's contention to resolve the pouring out of the spirit in the OT verses the NT... The OT God was in authority, so yes He poured out His Spirit with authority. Christs' NT EARTHLY ministry to ascending to the throne with Heavenly authority.

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

John 14:7
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (probably not the best verse, but Acts 2:33 is.)

 

[Armchair Apologist]

Well there were plenty of people in the Old Testament who had the Holy Spirit. Just a few examples:

NKJV Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,

Psa 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
(How could God take the Holy Spirit from David if David did not have the Holy Spirit?)

Exo 31:3 And I have filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Num 24:2 And Balaam raised his eyes, and saw Israel encamped according to their tribes; and the Spirit of God came upon him

I assure you that I have been a believer for over 50 years, having by God's grace put my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour. I am a Baptist.

In all fairness, the examples you have cited are related to God's annointing upon someone for a particular task. The indwelling Holy Spirit of all believers is unique to NT believers otherwise Jesus wouldn't have given nearly as much attention regarding this in John's gospel. In the OT, believers prayed towards the temple in Jerusalem but in the NT, believers ARE the temple of the Holy Ghost!

He was the only one before birth Dave, but it wasn't until the ascension that believers received the spirit. Either A you are not well versed in theology or B you are not a true believer Dave and are involved in some sort of other denomination that is not the church of Christ.

Not cool! Why are you being so proud and contentious? David here is a brother in the Lord and you owe him an apology!

 

[Its_real_for me !]

In all fairness, the examples you have cited are related to God's anointing upon someone for a particular task. The indwelling Holy Spirit of all believers is unique to NT believers otherwise Jesus wouldn't have given nearly as much attention regarding this in John's gospel. In the OT, believers prayed towards the temple in Jerusalem but in the NT, believers ARE the temple of the Holy Ghost!

Not cool! Why are you being so proud and contentious? David here is a brother in the Lord and you owe him an apology!

I did apologize thanks !
I was a little off kilter but it comes with the territory. I'm sure he understands there's a lot of wishy washy people who can claim to be who they aren't and the state of the church isn't any better, so I'm leery who I listen to. I don't know him from Adam, and he did provide scripture. I had to apologize to him before and he understands. But I see he's knowledgeable.

Roger... to a particular task. Care to show temporarily giving the HS ? Numbers 24:2 "came upon him" not in him permanently , others that the HS departed too.

Praying toward the temple (Spirit not indwelling), works mingled, isn't NT teaching. That's all the OP's contention is.

 

[Dave...]

Yet we read that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit long before he baptised Jesus:

NKJV Luk 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit is not receiving the Holy Spirit, it means being more under His control. People in the OT were filled with the Holy Spirit all the time, just like in the NT. This has nothing to do with indwelling, as we see that Spirit filled believers whether He was in them, or upon them. Also, John was just an infant, still considered innocent according to the Law due to his ignorance of good and evil. I believe that he could be indwelt in theory, but the saving ingredients would not accompany that indwelling until Pentecost. Regardless, it says he was filled, being prepared for his ministry even while in the womb, but there is nothing that says he was indwelt.

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MacArthur

"Being filled with the spirit must be distinguished from being baptized with the spirit. The apostle Paul carefully defines the baptism with the spirit as that act of Christ by which He places believers into His body (Rom. 6:4-6; 1Cor.12:13; Gal. 3:27). In contrast to much errant teaching today, the New Testament nowhere commands believers to seek the baptism with the Holy Spirit. It is a sovereign, single, unrepeatable act on Gods part, and is no more an experience than are its companions justification and adoption. Although some wrongly view the baptism with the Spirit as the initiation into the ranks of the spiritual elite, nothing could be further from the truth. The purpose of the baptism with the spirit is not to divide the body of Christ, but to unify it. As Paul wrote to the Corinthians, through the baptism with the Spirit "we were all baptized into one body" (1 Cor. 12:13; cf. Gal.3:26-27; Eph. 4:4-6)

Unlike the baptism with the Spirit, being filled with the Spirit is an experience and should be continuous. Although filled initially on the day of Pentecost, Peter was filled again in Acts 4:8. Many of the same people filled with the Spirit in Acts 2 were filled again in Acts 4:31. Acts 6:5 describes Stephen as a man "full of faith and the Holy Spirit," yet Acts 7:55 records his being filled again. Paul was filled with the Spirit in Acts 9:17 and again in Acts 13:9.

While there is no command in scripture to be baptized with the Spirit, believers are commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18 ). The grammatical construction of that passage indicates believers are to be continuously being filled with the Spirit. Those who would be filled with the Spirit must first empty themselves. That involves confession of sin and dying to selfishness and self will. To be filled with the Holy Spirit is to consciously practice the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ and to have a mind saturated with the Word of God. Colossians 3:16-25 delineates the results of "letting the word of Christ richly dwell" in us. They are the same ones that result from the filling of the Spirit (Eph. 5:19-33). As believers yield the moment by moment decisions of life to His control, they "walk by the Spirit" (Gal. 5:16). The baptism of the Spirit grants the power that the filling with the Spirit unleashes." (Macarthur)

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I am, and have been inclined to consider the possibility that the Holy Spirit being "upon" someone in the OT is synonymous with the Holy Spirit filling. Both equip that person for service. This is distinct from the NT indwelling, which can also come with the Holy Spirit filling, even more than once. That would make 'specific people' in the OT being filled with the Holy Spirit for certain tasks, but not indwelt. In the NT, all 'believers' would be indwelt, and filled, preferably continuously for their ministry as believers. It's a very intriguing thought to consider and test to Scripture. It fits very well.

 

[Dave...]

Well there were plenty of people in the Old Testament who had the Holy Spirit. Just a few examples:

NKJV Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,

Hi Dave

"Them" is Israel. It means, God put His Holy Spirit into the midst of the camp of Israel to guide the entire nation. As it was already noted in the OP.

"...."in the midst," "the inner part," or "among them". When applied to the camp of Israel, a collective group (which is what "within him" from Isaiah 63:11 is speaking of), it's always translated "in the midst", or "among them". Remember, the singular suffix ("his") in Isaiah 63:11 refers to the corporate body of Israel."

Psa 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
(How could God take the Holy Spirit from David if David did not have the Holy Spirit?)

Taking His spirit from David does not necessitate the Holy Spirit indwelling.

 

[Its_real_for me !]

One greek meaning on Acts 4:8, Luke 1:15, furnished, accomplished (power).... specific purpose, not indwelling.