How 2 Cor 5:19 teaches limited atonement !

[Silverhair]

Show me in scripture that it says that.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

So either through the faith of Abraham or keeping the law because they believed in God.

 

[kyredneck]

It's like I said this too deep for you. As long as yoyu of you OWN FREE WILL wear those blinders you'll never see it.

It's like I said, it's probably beyond those blinders you wer, It's

...no, you didn't get the BIBLICAL gist of it, your tunnel vision Calvinist bashing blinders hinders you greatly. Go back to that Exodus generation that had done everything God had told them NOT to do and consider HOW, JUST HOW, God had not beheld iniquity in Israel.

But maybe this is too deep for you for you to connect the truths of the old with the new. He doesn't change, you know.

 

[kyredneck]

Rom 4:16

....is not referring to the atonement, Christ our Passover. The type I referred you to exemplifies it perfectly.

"When I see the blood I will passover".

They were as righteous as Christ even after all the sin they had committed.

 

[Silverhair]

It's like I said this too deep for you. As long as yoyu of you OWN FREE WILL wear those blinders you'll never see it.

It's like I said, it's probably beyond those blinders you wer, It's

Well since the bible shows mans free will in scripture then it is not myself but you that seems to be wearing the blinders.

 

[Silverhair]

....is not referring to the atonement, Christ our Passover. The type I referred you to exemplifies it perfectly.

"When I see the blood I will passover".

They were as righteous as Christ even after all the sin they had committed.

Only because they believed and marked the door posts. But I notice that most died in the desert subsequent to their leaving Egypt. So did they loose their righteousness KY. How did that happen under your theological view.

 

[kyredneck]

Well since the bible shows mans free will i

No. The Bible does NOT show that.

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You're getting tiresome. Good night.

 

[kyredneck]

Only because they believed and marked the door posts.

The faith of the firstborn on that night had zilch to do with whether the blood worked or not. It had everything to do with how they slept that night. Our faith has zilch to do with the atonement:

6 For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: for peradventure for the good man some one would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life; Ro 5
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

But of course, you being the unbeliever that you are, you don't believe those glad tidings, do you Silverhair?

 

[Silverhair]

No. The Bible does NOT show that.

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You're getting tiresome. Good night.

Yes the fact that you will not actually trust scripture is tiresome. I trust scripture you on the other hand trust what some man has told you scripture means.

 

[kyredneck]

Yes the fact that you will not actually trust scripture is tiresome.

No. Your obsession with Calvinist slaying is tiresome to the umptenth degree. I feel like I'm giving dope to an addict when conversing with you. Dope that's wayyy beyond your comprehension.

 

[Silverhair]

The faith of the firstborn on that night had zilch to do with whether the blood worked or not. It had everything to do with how they slept that night. Our faith has zilch to do with the atonement:

6 For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: for peradventure for the good man some one would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life; Ro 5
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

But of course, you being the unbeliever that you are, you don't believe those glad tidings, do you Silverhair?

I keep telling all you calvinist that Christ died for us ungodly sinners, the whole world. But the fact He covered our sins saves on one if they do not have a personal faith in Him. If He had not risen we are still in our sins.

By God's grace we are saved through faith. No faith no salvation.

 

[Silverhair]

No. Your obsession with Calvinist slaying is tiresome to the umptenth degree. I feel like I'm giving dope to an addict when coversing with you. Dope that's wayyy beyond your comprehension.

Now KY you should not get upset just because I do not agree with your errant view. What did you expect me to do, become a calvinist! Not a chance.

I have yet to see anything from a calvinist that would cause me to change my mind. What I do see is scripture torn out of context by calvinists to support their view but when taken in context it does not work for them.

 

[kyredneck]

Now KY you should not get upset just because I do not agree with your errant view.

You're errant in a large way. You're an unbeliever to some of the most integral parts of the gospel.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor 1

Silverhair:
Of me, of my own free will and choice, am I in Christ Jesus.

 

[Silverhair]

You're errant in a large way. You're an unbeliever to some of the most integral parts of the gospel.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1 Cor 1

Silverhair:
Of me, of my own free will and choice, am I in Christ Jesus.

Can you save yourself, NO. But you already know that as I have said that before. Are you saved by God because you have trust in His son Yes, but you already know that also. So why the silly questions that you know the answer to?

 

[Brightfame52]

How Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement !2

Im going to show from scripture how the word world in Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement, simply because all have not had their sins taken away. The words taketh away in Jn 1:29 are airó:

I raise, lift up, take away, remove.

to remove: to remove the guilt and punishment of sin by expiation, or to cause that sin be neither imputed nor punished

of things; to take out of the way, destroy: χειρόγραφον, Colossians 2:14; cause to cease: τήν κρίσιν, Acts 8:33 (Isaiah 53:8)

The ideal is from the OT law from on the day of atonement Lev 16:21 when the High Priest would confess all the sins of the House of Israel, not all mankind, then lay hands on the live goat, symbolic of israel sins being laid to the account of the live goat, and then the live goat is sent away with their sins, removed from the presence of God. However this was only for Gods Chosen People Israel, Gods World of His People. Remember the word world means :

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort .!

Would not that define the nation of Israel ? Particularly Separated from the rest of mankind ? Its the same with the world in Jn 1:29, its not all mankind that has had their sins sent away or removed from Gods Law and Justice !

John writing to believers only writes 1 Jn 3:5

5 And ye know that he[ the lamb of God] was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.3

 

[Brightfame52]

One is only blessed in the future after they have trusted in Christ, not before they do as you seem to think.

False one is blessed for whom God doesnt charge with their sins because they have been charged to Christ instead.

 

[Brightfame52]

I know it is to you. But that does not change the fact that it is not.

But it is, you disagreeing changes nothing.

 

[JonC]

But it is, you disagreeing changes nothing.

"Double jeopardy" means being prosecuted twice for the same crime.

God reconciling mankind to Himself in Christ, not counting their sins against them AND giving us the ministry of l reconciliation where you we urge men to be reconciled with God is not double jeopardy.

Christ dying instead of people (if Chriat's physical death was necessary for our redemption), yet those people still die (a physical death), is double jeopardy.

 

[Silverhair]

How Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement !2

Im going to show from scripture how the word world in Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement, simply because all have not had their sins taken away. The words taketh away in Jn 1:29 are airó:

I raise, lift up, take away, remove.

to remove: to remove the guilt and punishment of sin by expiation, or to cause that sin be neither imputed nor punished

of things; to take out of the way, destroy: χειρόγραφον, Colossians 2:14; cause to cease: τήν κρίσιν, Acts 8:33 (Isaiah 53:8)

The ideal is from the OT law from on the day of atonement Lev 16:21 when the High Priest would confess all the sins of the House of Israel, not all mankind, then lay hands on the live goat, symbolic of israel sins being laid to the account of the live goat, and then the live goat is sent away with their sins, removed from the presence of God. However this was only for Gods Chosen People Israel, Gods World of His People. Remember the word world means :

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort .!

Would not that define the nation of Israel ? Particularly Separated from the rest of mankind ? Its the same with the world in Jn 1:29, its not all mankind that has had their sins sent away or removed from Gods Law and Justice !

John writing to believers only writes 1 Jn 3:5

5 And ye know that he[ the lamb of God] was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.3

He takes away - This denotes his “bearing” the sins of the world, or the sufferings which made an atonement for sin. Compare Isa_53:4; 1Jn_3:5; 1Pe_2:24. He takes away sin by “bearing” in his own body the sufferings which God appointed to show his sense of the evil of sin, thus magnifying the law, and rendering it consistent for him to pardon.

Of the world - Of all mankind, Jew and Gentile. His work was not to be confined to the Jew, but was also to benefit the Gentile; it was not confined to any one part of the world, but was designed to open the way of pardon to all men. He was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, 1Jn_2:2.

 

[Silverhair]

False one is blessed for whom God doesnt charge with their sins because they have been charged to Christ instead.

Well since Christ bore the sins of all men then all men are blessed, correct? Your theology is flawed BF.

 

[Brightfame52]

"Double jeopardy" means being prosecuted twice for the same crime.

God reconciling mankind to Himself in Christ, not counting their sins against them AND giving us the ministry of l reconciliation where you we urge men to be reconciled with God is not double jeopardy.

Christ dying instead of people (if Chriat's physical death was necessary for our redemption), yet those people still die (a physical death), is double jeopardy.

I know what it means. What you probably dont realize is those for whom Christ died, legally died with Him for their sins, thats why they cant be charged to them any more, they are taken out of the way, all their sins and the consequences of their sins are taken away.