How 2 Cor 5:19 teaches limited atonement !

[Brightfame52]

Read the verse in context BF. If you are not willing to believe the bible then this discussion will have to come to an end.

Again the world of 2 Cor 5:19 doesnt have any sin charged to it, no condemnation. So how can the condemned be part of that world ? So its limited ! And it behooves any preacher of the word of reconciliation to make that clear, for thats good news.

 

[Brightfame52]

Reconciled to God based upon Non Imputation of their trespasses. When ?

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When did God in Christ purpose not to impute their trespasses unto them ? 4

 

[Silverhair]

Reconciled to God based upon Non Imputation of their trespasses. When ?

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When did God in Christ purpose not to impute their trespasses unto them ? 4

@Brightfame52 we have gone over this a number of times and you still will not accept what the bible clearly tells us. Pay special attention to Rom 5:10 and 2Co 5:20, note what they say.

God was reconciled to us through Christ and that includes all that Christ died for which is clearly stated in the bible if you care to trust what the bible says. John 3:17 the world, Hebrews 2:9 for everyone, 1 Timothy 2:6 ransom for all, Romans 5:6 Christ died for the ungodly, Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

No one is saved at the cross BF. If we go by your understand then we have universal salvation. Christ was the offering to the Father for the sin debt of all. 1 John 2:2 the whole world. Post # 125

To answer your question I would tell you that you will find your answer when you read the context of 2Co 5:19

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.

While God was reconciled to the whole world when Christ went to the cross and covered mankind's sin debt. We are only reconciled to God when we individually place our trust in the risen Christ.

BF do you trust in the crucified Christ or the risen Christ? Post #134

 

[Brightfame52]

@Brightfame52 we have gone over this a number of times and you still will not accept what the bible clearly tells us. Pay special attention to Rom 5:10 and 2Co 5:20, note what they say.

God was reconciled to us through Christ and that includes all that Christ died for which is clearly stated in the bible if you care to trust what the bible says. John 3:17 the world, Hebrews 2:9 for everyone, 1 Timothy 2:6 ransom for all, Romans 5:6 Christ died for the ungodly, Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

No one is saved at the cross BF. If we go by your understand then we have universal salvation. Christ was the offering to the Father for the sin debt of all. 1 John 2:2 the whole world. Post # 125

To answer your question I would tell you that you will find your answer when you read the context of 2Co 5:19

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.

While God was reconciled to the whole world when Christ went to the cross and covered mankind's sin debt. We are only reconciled to God when we individually place our trust in the risen Christ.

BF do you trust in the crucified Christ or the risen Christ? Post #134

Do you understand the reconciled have non imputation of sin ?
When did God in Christ purpose not to impute their trespasses unto them ?

 

[Silverhair]

Do you understand the reconciled have non imputation of sin ?
When did God in Christ purpose not to impute their trespasses unto them ?

BF when you refuse to look at context and related passages you will continue to fall into the error you are promoting.

Read what I posted as try to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF when you refuse to look at context and related passages you will continue to fall into the error you are promoting.

Read what I posted as try to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying.

The world of 2 Cor 5:19 doesnt have any sin charges laid to its account, hence , then they are not liable to any punishment of sin;

That cant be said of the condemned world of 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

So 2 Cor 5:19 teaches a limited atonement. The word world is a snare for you friend.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF when you refuse to look at context and related passages you will continue to fall into the error you are promoting.

Read what I posted as try to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying.

Also understand, the people of the world of 2 Cor 5 19, they are sinners, they sin, but its just not imputed to them.

 

[Silverhair]

The world of 2 Cor 5:19 doesnt have any sin charges laid to its account, hence , then they are not liable to any punishment of sin;

That cant be said of the condemned world of 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

So 2 Cor 5:19 teaches a limited atonement. The word world is a snare for you friend.

So your saying that no one will have their sins imputed to them. That is 1] unbiblical & 2] leads to universalism.

 

[Silverhair]

Also understand, the people of the world of 2 Cor 5 19, they are sinners, they sin, but its just not imputed to them.

BF read the context. You are just being stubborn and refusing to accept what the text says.

 

[Brightfame52]

So your saying that no one will have their sins imputed to them. That is 1] unbiblical & 2] leads to universalism.

Each Person in the world of 2 Cor 5:19 is here,

“Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” Rom.4:8

Nobody of that world is liable to punishment for sin ! Isnt that good news ?

 

[37818]

2 Corinthians 5:17-20, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Silverhair]

Each Person in the world of 2 Cor 5:19 is here,

“Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” Rom.4:8

Nobody of that world is liable to punishment for sin ! Isnt that good news ?

BF you are reading your theology into the text, rather than letting the text inform you. That is Eisegesis which leads to numerous errors.

If you would just read and accept what the context tell you then you would continue with your foolish, unbiblical responses.

All those people of that world are liable to be punished for their sins if they do not have a personal trust in God.

Do you not believe what the bible says? Or do you just ignore scripture that does not support your view?

God was reconciled to us through Christ and that includes all that Christ died for which is clearly stated in the bible if you care to trust what the bible says. John 3:17 the world, Hebrews 2:9 for everyone, 1 Timothy 2:6 ransom for all, Romans 5:6 Christ died for the ungodly, Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

You can continue with your errant responses but it will have to be with someone else. You are not interested in believing what the bible says you just want people to agree with your errant view. I have pointed you to the context of 2Co 5:19 and even where Paul clarifies what he said in that verse via Rom 5:10 but you cling to your errant understanding by ignoring both. So be it.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are reading your theology into the text, rather than letting the text inform you. That is Eisegesis which leads to numerous errors.

If you would just read and accept what the context tell you then you would continue with your foolish, unbiblical responses.

All those people of that world are liable to be punished for their sins if they do not have a personal trust in God.

Do you not believe what the bible says? Or do you just ignore scripture that does not support your view?

God was reconciled to us through Christ and that includes all that Christ died for which is clearly stated in the bible if you care to trust what the bible says. John 3:17 the world, Hebrews 2:9 for everyone, 1 Timothy 2:6 ransom for all, Romans 5:6 Christ died for the ungodly, Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

You can continue with your errant responses but it will have to be with someone else. You are not interested in believing what the bible says you just want people to agree with your errant view. I have pointed you to the context of 2Co 5:19 and even where Paul clarifies what he said in that verse via Rom 5:10 but you cling to your errant understanding by ignoring both. So be it.

Each Person in the world of 2 Cor 5:19 is here,

“Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” Rom.4:8

Nobody of that world is liable to punishment for sin ! Isnt that good news ?

 

[Brightfame52]

The world of 2 Cor 5:19 cant be charged with sin, God doesnt charge that world with sin, because everyone of that world Christ was charged with their sins, and He blotted them out upon His Cross Col 2:13-14

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Isa 43:25

25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

If our sins were blotted out, then they are not chargeable,

 

[37818]

. . . of that world . . . .

 

[Brightfame52]

Reconciled to God based upon Non Imputation of their trespasses. When ?

When did God in Christ purpose not to impute their trespasses unto them ? Certainly it was before the world began ? How can we be certain from scripture ? Well if we read 1 Pet 1 we will fid that Christ redemptively had been foreordained before the world began 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;


19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:


20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

What was He foreordained for before the foundation of the world ? To redeem certain sinners from their sins. What sins ? Sins that were laid to His Charge. Now if God purposed that Christ would come in time [be manifested] to redeem them from sin, it had to be determine that their sins would be charged to Him before the world began, which consequently means they re sins would not be charged to them before the world began, hence God was in Christ reconciling them to Himself not imputing their sins to them ! 4

 

[Brightfame52]

The imperative Paul gives in 2 Cor 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Its not to all men without exception as some falsely assume and teach, but to them that God hasn't imputed sin unto Vs 19 and to them that by virtue of the fact Christ was made a sin offering for, and thereby made the righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

So the imperative in Vs 20

" be ye reconciled to God"is to men and women who have the righteousness of God charged to them or imputed, and this is the word of reconciliation or the Gospel preached to them Vs 19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation/Gospel.

And this Gospel or word of reconciliation reveals to them through the power of the Holy Spirit the righteousness of God they have imputed to them Rom 1:17

17 For therein[The Gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

So the imperative " be ye reconciled to God" is actually God through the preached word bringing the reconciled to Faith in Christ who has been made sin for them.

Faith cometh by hearing the word of reconciliation/Gospel Rom 10:17. They will come to believe it after God the Holy Spirit reveals it to them :

For therein[The Gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: The word for revealed here means:

1. to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown
   
   The righteousness of God they have by virtue of the fact that Christ was made sin for them, is not known naturally, but must must be revealed ! And so when revealed the Truth of it is received in the mind, will, and affections of that individual , and they commence the Life of Faith, for its written:
   
   17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

The deadly consequences of denying limited atonement !

2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

By Limited Atonement I mean that Christ Saving Death was and is for only some of mankind in the eternal purpose of God in Christ Jesus. God hath sovereignly limited the efficacy of His Sons Death to save only some, hence leaving the rest to perish in their sins ! Rom 11:7

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Now what did the Election obtain ? This 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

They obtain Salvation which is in Christ Jesus with Eternal Glory !

Now, once anyone denies limited atonement, that Christ's saving death was only for some and not for all without exception, and doeth falsely teach that Christ's death was for all without exception, yet knowing that all without exception shall not obtain Salvation with Eternal Glory which is in Christ Jesus:

Then they are guilty of denying that Salvation is 100 % conditioned on the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. There's no way around that fact. Either Christ's Saving death was only for some, and all of that some are saved, or it was for all without exception, and in some degree Salvation is conditioned upon man, something he must do. Once that element of what man does enters the equation to make Salvation a reality, Salvation is no more 100% conditioned on Christ alone, which Deny's the power of the Gospel !Hence the deadly consequences of denying limited atonement !

 

[Brightfame52]

The deadly consequences of denying limited atonement !

2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

By Limited Atonement I mean that Christ Saving Death was and is for only some of mankind in the eternal purpose of God in Christ Jesus. God hath sovereignly limited the efficacy of His Sons Death to save only some, hence leaving the rest to perish in their sins ! Rom 11:7

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Now what did the Election obtain ? This 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

They obtain Salvation which is in Christ Jesus with Eternal Glory !

Now, once anyone denies limited atonement, that Christ's saving death was only for some and not for all without exception, and doeth falsely teach that Christ's death was for all without exception, yet knowing that all without exception shall not obtain Salvation with Eternal Glory which is in Christ Jesus:

Then they are guilty of denying that Salvation is 100 % conditioned on the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. There's no way around that fact. Either Christ's Saving death was only for some, and all of that some are saved, or it was for all without exception, and in some degree Salvation is conditioned upon man, something he must do. Once that element of what man does enters the equation to make Salvation a reality, Salvation is no more 100% conditioned on Christ alone, which Deny's the power of the Gospel !Hence the deadly consequences of denying limited atonement !

 

[Brightfame52]

Limited atonement !

The truth of limited atonement is vital to the Christian Gospel, there's no Gospel without it. See 1 Cor 15:3. It refers specifically to the Death of Christ on the Cross, which death fully satisfied the law and justice of God for not all human beings but only for a certain group, the elect of God, Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now let's get one thing understood, when i speak of limited atonement, i don't mean by any means that Christ atoning death is limited in its power, but that its limited in that it doesn't cover or apply to everyone, but only applies to and covers the elect or chosen of God or the Church of God in Christ, or Gods Sheep.