sure there is, try Psalms 82 to start
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How am I condemned?
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No, it is not.
Psalm 82:
1God takes His stand in His own congregation;
He judges in the midst of the rulers.2How long will you judge unjustly
And show partiality to the wicked?
Selah.
3Vindicate the weak and fatherless;
Do justice to the afflicted and destitute.
4Rescue the weak and needy;
Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
5They do not know nor do they understand;
They walk about in darkness;
All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are sons of the Most High.
7“Nevertheless you will die like men
And fall like any one of the princes.”
8Arise, O God, judge the earth!
For it is You who possesses all the nations.
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This verse,
7“Nevertheless you will die like men
God was speaking to the congregation, Would he state this if hey were already men?
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Certainly.
In a most general sense the statement is to rulers who consider themselves a god. From the Pharaohs to the present North Korean "Ill" they all die like men.
But the specific is that of the priestly line of the Levites. For, they were appointed by God to serve as mediators, preservers of God's law and justice, had authority as God to declare what was righteous and unrighteous, could at will determine what was worthy and unworthy.
But they perverted justice and righteousness, and die as any man to face that judgement of God.
So, it matters not if the person is a ruler (prince of men) or a religious ruler (priest of the most high) all "die like men." All face that final judgement.
I know , but in the discussion Jesus has quoting this verse in Mark it does not fit as rulers and suggest Jesus was not aware of the Jews desire to kill him. It is not rulers,( they were rulers anyway ) or Jesus was wrong. It is elohyim, The" sons of god" in Job and Gen. It is more than human, but less than GOD
There are just humans, demons, angels, Satan and God, correct?
God did not make the angels his sons, nor does the Scriptures call angels the sons of God (unless you want to consider the verses of Genesis 6 angels. But that is greatly disputed, and frankly has no foundation of support in Scriptures.
Jesus was aware of all things.
He is the creator and sustainer of all seen and unseen. Nothing escapes His notice or attention.
"Elohyim" is used in the Hebrew writing as a term for god or God. It is not automatically referring to The God of Heaven. It is also used to refer to rulers, judges, great men... For example: Exodus 21:6 judges is the word "elohyim."
It is only used as rulers relating to spiritual judges in the OT.
We find it in several places, Gen and Job in two chapters assciated with Satan and after creation
We find it Job 38:7 that relates before creation
This is not elohyim though it is teknon theos in Greek
Jhn 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power tobecome the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Are you saying Jesus was wrong to use the quote or responded incorrectly, being accused of blesphemy and respond from Psams?
Jhn 10:33¶
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jhn 10:34¶
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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imo. what group of spiritual beings was condemned in Heaven?
Again, the use of "god's" by Christ in quoting the OT is reference to rulers who have the authority of God. Christ is drawing the structure of their claim to fame as god's, not God. In every occurrence of this word in the NT it refers to god(s) not God.
"Θεόν" is not "Θεοί". The first is "Theon" which is formally translated as God. The second is "theoi" which is formally translated as god(s).
Theon is used in verse 33 and theoi is used in verse 34.
Hope this helps.
Again, as is my manner when I refer to original languages, due to my continual limiting mind, I submit to others who are far more acute and readily understanding for any correction that I do not in any manner misrepresent that precious Word. Should I need correction or further understanding in a rendering, I resolve to submit to those who are and remain scholars in the originals.
1/3 of the angels followed the rebelliousness of Satan. They were condemned.
Yes, as there were just the trinity and the Angels there at that time, no pre existing humans!
your soul pre existed, not your body, The same as after death,
Where did they go?
2Pe 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Luk 10:18
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
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