How Calvin helped create Unitarianism

Calvin was not into pretence --but then again,you no nothing of the man except from some reallty biased sources.

Yes,Calvin did indeed spend weeks trying to get Servetus to repent. And that somehow is evil in your eyes? Calvin was merciful. If he had beed successful Michael Servetus would have been spared his life.

You go around spouting that nonsense. Please document your outrageous assertions.

 

You don't get sarcasm I guess.

 

I just did a background check on Moses, and it just came back. He killed someone!!!!

Maybe I will not believe what he says now!

:laugh:

 

Perhaps,
And Salman Rushdie, author of Satanic Verses, would have been executed in any Islamic nation just a few years ago. Not much difference is there?

 

You ain't kidding brother! Someone turned on the light in the kitchen! :laugh:

 

your right... Had Servitus fled to America.:tongue3: Can you say Meg? :laugh::tongue3:

 

Greetings Nazaroo,

Your opening statement is interesting, but even today when I open the Bible I find it very difficult to accept Trinitarianism and infant sprinkling.

The wiki article states the following:

When I open the Bible I read that there is One God, the Father:
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV): “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”
1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV): “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
John 17:3 (KJV): “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”

And that Jesus is the Son of God:
Luke 1:35 (KJV): “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirt shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
John 1:14 (KJV): “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
John 10:30-36 (KJV): “30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

I also read that when Philip the Evangelist preached the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Name to the Samaritans that they believed and were baptised:
Acts 8:5,12 (KJV): “5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.” “12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
In the same country that Severus suffered, many of the Swiss Brethren, or Brethren in Christ, aka Anabaptists, suffered at the hands of the Protestant civil and religious authorities because of their belief in Biblical baptism of believers of the Gospel.

I am grateful that today, in my country at least, there is religious tolerance, and that those who are considered by Catholics and Protestants as heretics are not persecuted. We should appreciate such men as Servetus who under severe trial maintained what they considered to be their Bible based faith.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

It's not off at all.


Who's following Calvin, and not Jesus?

 

I don't know for sure, but he could be talking about you!

 

Didn't you say: Debating is not an honest skill.

 

There is your hidden agenda right there:

"Forget Calvin. Follow Jesus."

Are you kidding me!?! :laugh:Im not going to forget Calvin because of your poor grasping argument! Rather I consider Calvin an important theologian; so you can rail at windmills all you want & thank you because next time a wild eyed bloke like you comes on spouting nonsense, I will be better prepared.

What a guy like you, who constantly slanders others, doesn't realize is that by your doing this you sharpen people like me to study guys like Calvin much more (I hope your taking note of this Preacher4Truth for future study) & I despise your ignorance & your arrogance & so I will allow that to be my prime motivator against your type. Frankly your ignorance & pathetic lack of respect for another is stunning. Next time, before you cast aspersions at someone else, make sure your better prepared. Your argument was weak at best.:tongue3:

 

Ah. I've not read Calvin, yet I'm being accused of following him, and the worst part, all this hatred from them, and they're accusing me of not following Jesus?

I feel really bad for naz and bob snow, and the like on here.

Let them think what they want and spread their tales and truculency. That's a commentary on themselves. Well read by the wise.

(Yes, EWF, I will look into his Institutes of the Christian Religion later, still working on these others.)

- Peace

 

"truculency"

See Preach....both you & Quantum forced me to look this word up because I did not know its definition but since both you guys used it today, it peaked my interest. Otherwise I could have assumed like our Bond Guy Buddy. And we all know what assume puts you.....ass u me--right?

 

OPPOSITION TO Calvinism- "CHS"

We notice that if we talk about the election of men and the non-election of fallen
angels, there is not a cavil for a moment. Every man approves of Calvinism till he
feels that he is a loser by it; but when it begins to touch his own bone and his own
flesh then he kicks against it.

How much you want to bet "Bond Boy" isn't a Calvinist! LOL
And that my friends is the whole underpinning of this slanderous discussion. Hidden agenda revealed!

 

And you, Mr.QF, are still unrepentant regarding your bogus "build a fire" Calvin quote. Pun indeed.

Of course the claims of the Naz are false.

Yes,it was. I know you don't want to be informed on this subject since it won't be able to enhance your anti-Calvinist campaign.However,the Libertine party (otherwise known as Free-Thinkers) constituted the majority of the Geneva Council. They opposed Calvin on just about every front.Yet they,along with Calvin determined that Michael S.should be executed.


One more thing: Calvin had written to Servetus the following:"I neither hate you nor despise you,nor do I wish to persecute you;but I would be as hard as iron when I behold you insulting sound doctrine with so great audacity."

 

One more thing: Calvin had written to Servetus the following:"I neither hate you nor despise you,nor do I wish to persecute you;but I would be as hard as iron when I behold you insulting sound doctrine with so great audacity."

In other words, some people are there own worst enemies. :tear:

 

Naz,you have to address though it works against your mission on this thread.Calvin and Farel too,pled for M.S.to recant his views. They wanted to spare his life.

 

In spite of his beliefs EWF, with a post like this (full of sarcasm and personal insults), when you attack the person instead of debating the substance you have allowed him to win the debate over you. It indeed is possible to forget Calvin and follow Jesus. I have done it most of my life.