How Calvin helped create Unitarianism

You are no fan of accurate Church History.

Let me get this straight. The OP tried to besmirch Calvin with all sorts of bad stuff --but you hardly know who he is? You haven't even read any of his works?

Please explain yourself. You are not making yourself clear.

Again,you'd like to return to the Dark ages. "We don't need any theologians."?! I'm glad the Lord disagrees with you since He has raised up a great number through the centuries

Who here has said that they approved of that? Certainly not me. And Calvin himself was not in favor of it.

 

I seem to recall some Christians in New England burned some people alive at the stake....

Cheers,

Jim

 

Correct, and that was wrong also, and should not be dismissed either. They were misplaced also in being in their eyes agents of God's judgement.

 

There you go:

"After that we don't need any theologians,
any more than we need pedophile priests."

There you go....now guys like Owen, CHS, Wesley etc are like pedophile priests! FANTASTIC!!!!:laugh:

 

Paul was a theologian, and an apologist. :thumbsup:

 

Indeed. Yet, they were Calvinists as well. Thus, Calvin's statement regarding Servetus…

“Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day; set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.”

…was by them, well heeded!

WM

http://thinkexist.com/search/searchQuotation.asp?search=Build+a+man+a+fire

 

Actually in Salem they were hung.

 

Actually, EWF, I think you are right. I saw the movie, sometimes (rarely) Hollywood does get something right.

 

That was their method of choice. If I recall correctly, however, one guy had stones stacked upon him until he expired - but not before he cursed the town.

WM

 

It was only Black slaves who got burned at the stake in the "Puritan paradise" of colonial Massachusetts.

 

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Wow, can't believe he said that. What an ungodly thing to say considering many godly men were martyred in such a manner!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Im sure the Baptist south never killed a black slave? not them, nor keep them or have any wars fought for them. Good Christians one and all.:laugh:

But why dont we go back to the original OP.... a big smear campaign to discredit Calvin because he is a theologian & one that supports Doctrines of Grace. Hasn't that hidden agenda been revealed by its own author? LOL

 

So again you misread the content of my post. There is no sarcasm or insults but rather I just informed him & thanked him for shedding light on an area that I find myself difficient in.....namely the Servitis case. I will now buy some books & research it so Im never blindsided again. I follow Jesus however now I will study Calvin (Much more than I have)....and I thank you all for pointing that out. BTW Institutes is a wonderful read.

 

You should study the Case. From what I've read most people didn't personally like Calvin. That is they found his personality abrasive. However, Servetus would have ended up dead no matter where in Europe he was because of his De Trinitatis Erroribus. Calvin did instigate his execution. Thats the problem with speculative theology. You aren't allowed to speculate. Now a day he would have been taken in by the Jewish Messianics or the JW.

 

Thanks Thinkingstuff, from the FWIW department.

http://www.godglorified.com/errors_of_the_trinity.htm

 

I do plan on it because I keep getting conflicting information on it. Some site Calvin's complicity & others site his complete exonoration. However Ive been studying both his Golden Book Publication & The Institutes. I find a man completely absorbed in Christ & also very easy to read & comprehend. I suspect this case is one of political complexity that Calvin had wished he could extricate himself from....still I will have to study it in much greater detail & this thread has more than piqued my interest in it.

Personally I will divulge that I dislike Charles Finney & I find him reprehensible on many many levels. Still I concede that I could be biased & so would not pursue anything slanderous against the man. I'm also sure as a human, Finney was prone to human mistakes & I'm also fairly certain he may have done good along the way. My point is that Christians ought not to go around slandering other Christians & it is up to God to judge & dole out punishment due, not us.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how Calvin - guilty or not - helped to create Unitarianism.

No big fan of Calvinism, but this seems to be just another smear against Calvinists. I imagine that we non-Calvinists have a few skeletons in our closet.

Anyway, you don't determine the truthfulness of a system by who propagates it. You determine it by how it adheres to Scripture.

 

I disagree with the proposal however it goes something like this. Calvin is just as bad as the Romanist and thus liberal Reformist went to the opposit extreme and over promoted tollerance. I guess thats the just of it.

 

Did he say that? ...Really?

I've researched (errr... i mean googled...) this and found the quote attributed to him but I'm interested in knowing how the quote is attributed to him. Just because the Internet says he said it doesn't make it a historical fact. Yet I have not seen any denials by C's in this thread.