how can calvinism be "the Gospel?" isn't Tjat Jesus And the Cross/Resurrection?

[Skandelon]

For the Calvinist, the efficacy rests with God. It is all His work, and no flesh will glory in his sight.

As I'm sure you know, efficacy is the "power or capacity to produce a desired effect," and whether you recognize it or not we both affirm the efficacy of God. But what is His "desired effect?" I'll let Him tell you:

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD,
I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live:
turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways;
for why will ye die, O house of Israel?”
Ezekiel 33:10,11

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you,
that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:
therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19

But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Matthew 9:13

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise. Psalm 51:17

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

...who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4

Had Whitfield and Wesley attempted to work together, any affection would have evaporated and they would have parted bitter enemies.

Maybe their hearts were kinder than yours brother, because as I have testified, my best friend and my brother are Calvinistic and we work in ministry together. We love each other dearly. I'm sorry you have become so jaded against a doctrine you clearly have yet to understand based upon the straw-men you keep erecting. Hopefully that can change.

 

[savedbymercy]

allan:

Of course but it does not end at verse 5...

Who said it did, but vs 5 cannot be neglected as part of the Gospel of the Grace of God, paul explains why salvation must be of Grace, thats preaching the gospel, all the counsel..

 

[Allan]

allan:



Who said it did, but vs 5 cannot be neglected as part of the Gospel of the Grace of God, paul explains why salvation must be of Grace, thats preaching the gospel, all the counsel..

That's preaching the gospel with 'additives' and we all know that 'additives' are not very good for you

No one disputes salvation is by grace my friend and that if it were not for grace, no one would be saved.

 

[convicted1]

That's preaching the gospel with 'additives' and we all know that 'additives' are not very good for you

No one disputes salvation is by grace my friend and that if it were not for grace, no one would be saved.

Amen, Brother Allan, amen!!

 

[convicted1]

Here is the problem with any theology. No systematic theological system is the "gospel", I don't care what any one says. Here is the "Gospel" in a nutshell:

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The Gospel is God's power to save. Its not DoG/Calvinism, Free will, Pelegianism/"semi", Gnostcism(sp?), Catholicism, etc.

 

[Greektim]

Here is the problem with any theology. No systematic theological system is the "gospel", I don't care what any one says. Here is the "Gospel" in a nutshell:

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The Gospel is God's power to save. Its not DoG/Calvinism, Free will, Pelegianism/"semi", Gnostcism(sp?), Catholicism, etc.

I disagree. I believe the "Gospel" in a nutshell is this:

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."

The Gospel is God blessing the nations.

 

[psalms109:31]

I disagree. I believe the "Gospel" in a nutshell is this:

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."

The Gospel is God blessing the nations.

I see it has just as the scripture say's the true Gospel that God is crediting righteousness to those who believe God, until the amount of Abraham offspring will be like the sands of the seashore. That the promise will be fulfilled, no matter how men kick against the groin. I see the elect, but also see God is including adding to that number daily. Including as in not there from the beginning. No need to include people if they are already there. He has the end result, so He knows who they are. If standing before you now is the saved, wouldn't you know them?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Guess what I am thinking.

Math, physics, numbers....BTW, take a better look at Ireland, if thats in your future plans.....they now want to tax pensions. Great beer though.:tongue3: