How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement? If you believe that Christ died for the chosen people only, than you probably can't say "Jesus died for you" to an unbeliever because you can't ensure that whether he is chosen by God or not

Do you believe there is a hell and there are people in hell?

 

[Marooncat79]

How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement? If you believe that Christ died for the chosen people only, than you probably can't say "Jesus died for you" to an unbeliever because you can't ensure that whether he is chosen by God or not

Please see Acts 17.

Jesus died to save his people from their sins. God commands all men to repent. Why? Because all have sinned.

 

[1689Dave]

If you say Christ died for all you are lying. If you make the gospel a job offer people must choose to accept, you are lying. To preach the gospel is to tell the good news. And to announce all who believe have eternal life. Preach = announce. Then you follow up with "if you believe, then repent and be baptized" and learn to live a holy life. The Spirit of God does the rest.

 

[HankD]

Still I see no problem with saying - Christ died for OUR sins - The listener identifies with the word OUR or not and is free (or not) to reject the identification or not or simply ignore you/us/me.

 

[Van]

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel.

 

[Particular]

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel.

That's your failed thinking, Van. Reformed believers on this thread have shown you what is shared. You just have a hatred that God would be in control of salvation instead of you having the control. It all boils down to control issues with you.

 

[Yeshua1]

How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement? If you believe that Christ died for the chosen people only, than you probably can't say "Jesus died for you" to an unbeliever because you can't ensure that whether he is chosen by God or not

Never bothered those like Spurgeon or Edwards or Whitefield! Nor Apostle Paul/Peter or John!

 

[Van]

That's your failed thinking, Van. Reformed believers on this thread have shown you what is shared. You just have a hatred that God would be in control of salvation instead of you having the control. It all boils down to control issues with you.

Note once again Calvinism is defended by attacking the poster, rather than addressing the positions. And of course they point to the unreferenced past where the arguments were supposedly totally rebutted.

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel

 

[Yeshua1]

Note once again Calvinism is defended by attacking the poster, rather than addressing the positions. And of course they point to the unreferenced past where the arguments were supposedly totally rebutted.

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel

The key phrase that you used here was"we think",as scripture does not support your viewpoints in regards to how God operates to save lost sinners!

 

[Particular]

Note once again Calvinism is defended by attacking the poster, rather than addressing the positions. And of course they point to the unreferenced past where the arguments were supposedly totally rebutted.

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who believe God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, we think Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel

Nope
Just responding to your false thinking regarding Calvinism. You have a huge prejudice that taints your thinking. That is just a fact that we all see.

 

[Van]

The key phrase that you used here was"we think",as scripture does not support your viewpoints in regards to how God operates to save lost sinners!

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who accept scripture, God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel

 

[Scott Downey]

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who accept scripture, God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel

Except the unbelievers just do not care for Christ and dont love Him. They feel no emotional pain like your saying.

 

[Van]

Except the unbelievers just do not care for Christ and dont love Him. They feel no emotional pain like your saying.

Hi Scott, recall the story of Esau, and how sought God with tears? Or Romans 9:30-33 and those seeking God through works. Your claim, reflects Calvinism's false doctrine, not the truth as presented in scripture.

Your (Calvinist doctrine) view denies people will to be saved, but Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the man that wills or runs. What boggles my mind is that no Calvinist ever even sees a problem with people who are dead and therefore unable to see God willing to be saved. Once again, they all claim the verse does not mean what it says.

 

[Particular]

Your claim, reflects Calvinism's false doctrine, not the truth as presented in scripture.

What is the false doctrine, Van. Spit it out. Tell us exactly what the false doctrine is. Then tell us exactly what the true doctrine is.

 

[atpollard]

I don't see such a black and white differential in God's dealing with the elect and non-elect in Scriptures.

Look closer at Jacob and Esau. Did God deal with them equally from birth? Did they have equal chances of being chosen by God to father the “chosen people”?

What about Peter and Judas? Did Jesus treat them identically or did Jesus pray for Peter and abandon Judas as the son of perdition?

Jesus speaks to the elect:
Matthew 9:2-8
Mark 5:25-34
John 4:7-26

Jesus speaks to the non-elect:
Matthew 12:34
Matthew 23:13-36
John 6:43-44

Do you still see no difference?

Another pair of verses to consider:
Elect: Acts 16:14
Non-elect: Galatians 5:12

 

[Reformed1689]

How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement? If you believe that Christ died for the chosen people only, than you probably can't say "Jesus died for you" to an unbeliever because you can't ensure that whether he is chosen by God or not

Easy, you preach the problem of sin, the need for repentance, and confessing Jesus as Lord.

 

[Reformed1689]

Calvinist preacher: Jesus may have died for your sins, He died for the sins of those chosen unconditionally before creation. There is nothing you can do to alter the predestined outcome of your life, or the lives of your loved ones. They were either saved or condemned from all eternity for all eternity.

Of course for those of us who accept scripture, God desires all men to be saved and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, Calvinism offers a bogus view of the gospel

Man if I had a dollar for every time Van copied and pasted one of his posts as if we couldn't read it the first time.....

 

[ivdavid]

Do you still see no difference?

You quoted me saying "I don't see such a black and white differential" and you prove to me that there is a difference? When have I denied there is a difference - the post you quoted me from itself has me referring to the difference. I just don't see it as simplistically as the calvinists do.

To the calvinists: Elect=save. Non-elect=destroy. At all times.
To me: Elect=always save. Non-elect=possible salvific work in the beginning but end is always to destroy.

During the Exodus, Pharaoh was completely destroyed from the beginning. All the Israelites had the beginning of salvific work done in them being redeemed out of Egypt with a Passover provided for them all - but not all of them are elect. The non-elect end up destroyed in the wilderness while only the elect make it into the promised rest.

 

[Particular]

To the calvinists: Elect=save. Non-elect=destroy. At all times.
To me: Elect=always save. Non-elect=possible salvific work in the beginning but, end is always to destroy.

Finally a core summary of what you think.

Our difference seems to be that I view scripture as revealing that the non-elect cannot be saved while you view scripture as revealing the non-elect may choose to be saved, but will ultimately choose to reject God...because they are not the elect.

Thanks for sharing. I think your biblical argument is weak at best.

Please share the passages you have found that you believe support your position.

 

[Marooncat79]

If God only chose to save 1 person throughout the entire annul of human history, He would still be a kind, gracious, glorious, loving, sovereign, redemptive God who is worthy of worship, honor, and glory